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RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

From: Dale Gonzalez <dale.gonzalez@air2web.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:21:37 -0400
Message-ID: <336E93A5D77EC246881C518F41A47CCA01BCE626@EXCHANGE1.atl.air2web.com>
To: <public-ddwg@w3.org>, <www-mobile@w3.org>
We're OFF!  Count me in.  So, who will come up with the money?  Should
we ask the carriers?  How's this for a pitch.... Dear Mr. Carrier, you
are suffering needless churn as a result of poor application/WAP site
selection.  This can only be solved by the development community if you
give them the proper tools.  You must all chip in.  Your pro-rata share
of the effort is $x.00.  Failure to comply with this request will result
in a complete drop off of available content for your network.  You have
4 days.
 
Seriously, should CTIA fund the effort?  Non-profit, member supported,
deviceinfo.org.


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From: www-mobile-request@w3.org [mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org] On
Behalf Of Luca Passani
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 10:17 AM
To: public-ddwg@w3.org; www-mobile@w3.org
Subject: Re: Mobile phone capabilities list?


>.  I would rather see an open source, formal program for certifying the
data it provides and closing 
> any gaps between it and "commercial" solutions.  Of course, that's
just my opinion, I could be wrong.
 
this is feasible. some venture capital, 1 milion $$ to me,  1 milion $$
to Andrea, a good position for boths in the new company,
and off we go!  ;)
 
Luca
 

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Dale Gonzalez <mailto:dale.gonzalez@air2web.com>  
	To: public-ddwg@w3.org ; www-mobile@w3.org 
	Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 3:01 PM
	Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

	 
	Thanks Luca.
	 
	I certainly see where being able to lookup device info based on
the IMEI would be cool.  However, it seems like: a) soon there won't be
a guaranteed correlation between the IMEI and device capabilities.  What
you'll end up with is "for this IMEI with the standard shipped software
load, this is what you can expect - however, your millage may vary. ",
b)  gathering the necessary information about the IMEI info in the field
is going to be challenging - at least as challenging as getting good
device info from the manufacturers, c) IMEI isn't always (often?)
available to application writers.
	 
	In my opinion, this makes IMEI of limited utility.  I guess my
view is that given all of the challenges associated with collecting and
verifying this data and the limited number of hours/people available to
tackle the problem, we would be better served focusing our attention
somewhere else.  I love WURFL.  I would rather see an open source,
formal program for certifying the data it provides and closing any gaps
between it and "commercial" solutions.  Of course, that's just my
opinion, I could be wrong.
	 
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	From: www-mobile-request@w3.org
[mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Luca Passani
	Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:52 AM
	To: public-ddwg@w3.org; www-mobile@w3.org
	Subject: Re: Mobile phone capabilities list?
	
	
	>Or am I missing something.
	 
	you are missing the part where we stated that IMEI would just be
an *extra* way to identify the device
	as opposed to the only way.
	 
	Luca
	 

		----- Original Message ----- 
		From: Dale Gonzalez <mailto:dale.gonzalez@air2web.com>  
		To: public-ddwg@w3.org ; www-mobile@w3.org 
		Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 2:34 PM
		Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?

		Seems to me that using user-agent/connect info is better
than IMEI.  IMEI is tied directly to the hardware.  As the devices
become more and more advanced, the client that the user is using - which
is the thing that must be adapted to - will be downloadable and only
have a passing association with the hardware.  Or am I missing
something.

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		From: www-mobile-request@w3.org
[mailto:www-mobile-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Luca Passani
		Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 3:13 AM
		To: public-ddwg@w3.org; www-mobile@w3.org
		Subject: RE: Mobile phone capabilities list?
		
		

		I was told offline that IMEI is only GSM and CDMA too.

		 

		Quite frankly, I still don't see why we should give up
on such a powerful unique key to device capabilities,  but it explains
why "purists" don't like the idea :-)

		 

		Of course, I will consider seriously the creation of the
IMEI module for WURFL in the months to come. Is there any operator
willing to put some money there?

		 

		Luca

		 
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