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Re: Payments activity - any point to our time and effort?

From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2016 22:42:43 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKaEYhKAzmx9BA9EQ=_g0cdm3kGHXmP=6qUvpeYjqt5B843kGQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>
Cc: Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>, W3C Credentials Community Group <public-credentials@w3.org>
On 4 March 2016 at 16:09, Anders Rundgren <anders.rundgren.net@gmail.com>

> On 2016-03-04 15:30, Timothy Holborn wrote:
> I've been reading this:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2016Feb/0527.html
> Is our work valuable at all or is this some sick joke that looks like Wall
> Street Execs vs. the concept of law and such things for the billions of
> other humans around the planet...? After reading this, I have severe
> concerns about the viability of building anything meaningful here. I think
> that should be made clear. W3C was established due to issues that emerged
> sometime ago. New issues threaten humanity as is influenced specifically by
> web standards. Their are a number of very troubling problems here, and I
> fully support Manu, who's work has brought all this together and to suggest
> otherwise is an act of horrific behaviour I very much doubt they'd want
> subject to accountability, as such, What are we doing here? Timh.
> Well, there are reasons to why (for example) 1B+ secure payment cards
> never did make it to the Web.
> Regarding the more technical aspects of this work I find it slightly
> amusing that when I suggested enhancing the interface between the Web and
> App worlds, it was either met with dead silence or with statements that
> indirectly suggested that I'm a charlatan. When Google did the same (but
> much less universal) proposal everybody listened and nobody complained.
> These are the realities.
> Not even China with their millions of engineers and leading production of
> devices can do anything about Google's dominance in Web and mobile phone
> technology!

I also support Manu's tireless work in this area, and his sharing of the
state of affairs.

My experiences with the WG, have been less than optimal.  Having applied to
join promptly after its creation, and set aside a big chunk of year to be
available to participate as an unpaid volunteer, I was left on hold for
over 3 months, before even getting a response.

After that my application (which imho was a valid one) was was rejected,
behind closed doors, without imho giving a clear reason, or criteria.
While I am still able to work in the community group, I was not left as
confident as I could be in the steering of the working group, and Manu's
comments give me further reason to think the group might not achieve as
much as it could.  In short, I think the group is too oriented toward
specific paid interests, and not open enough to input from independent web

That said, I still think there is an excellent opportunity to produce
standards quality work in the community group.  I'll be creating
implementations based on Manu and Dave's work, and I am super confident
they will be orders of magnitude more powerful than anything on the radar
in the WG, right now.

So you might think of the WG is browser+v1 and the work here as v2,v3 and

> Anders
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