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Re: CLA question

From: Kristian Sons <kristian.sons@dfki.de>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 23:32:58 +0200
Message-ID: <4E0CEB8A.2010200@dfki.de>
To: public-council@w3.org
Dear Ian,

 > * You make a commitment that is really aimed at _the specification
 > produced by the CG_
 > * You can license your patent claims differently
 > in other contexts.

that's exactly the information I needed. I apologize I couldn't find out 
without comments.

Best regards,
   Kristian


Am 30.06.2011 15:29, schrieb Ian Jacobs:
>
> On 30 Jun 2011, at 5:07 AM, Kristian Sons wrote:
>
>> Dear Ian,
>>
>> I'm not very good in "Legal English". Thus let me try to give an
>> example:
>>
>> Company A has a bright idea for CG B and contributes it. Now it's
>> published as agreed by CLA. For some reason, CG B is not successful
>> and discontinues its work. Now company A decides to exploit the
>> bright idea in a proprietary product and would like to protect the
>> idea using a patent.
>>
>> This is nothing that applies to me (or the DFKI), but I was asked
>> this during the information event we had during Web3D 2011.
>
> Under the CLA [1] patent holders can limit the scope of use of their
> patents (see 12.8.3).
>
> Thus:
>

>
> Note that the essential claims terms are the same as for the W3C
> Patent Policy. We have a document that may be useful to explaining
> the protections available through these terms. See:
>
> Business Benefits of the W3C Patent Policy
> http://www.w3.org/2004/03/pp-points-20040210.html
>
> Let me know if that helps. Please do ask me lots of questions about
> the CLA!
>
> Ian
>
> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/
>
>> Thanks. Also thanks to your whole team setting up all this nice
>> infrastructure so fast!!
>>
>> Kristian
>>
>>
>> Am 29.06.2011 16:27, schrieb Ian Jacobs:
>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 9:14 AM, Kristian Sons wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Ian,
>>>>
>>>> great news. I saw that the mailing lists are set up. I assume
>>>> they are ready to use, is that right?
>>> Yes.
>>>> I have a question regarding the CLA, actually it's a question
>>>> Neil Trevett (Khronos/Nvidia) raised on our preparation
>>>> meeting: If the CG will never complete a specification / will
>>>> never transit to to W3C Recommendation Track (of course we hope
>>>> that will not happen), what about my contributions? In other
>>>> words: If W3C will never utilize my contribution, I will not be
>>>> able to exploit it in a proprietary way because it's under
>>>> CLA?
>>>>
>>>> This might be an issue for organizations...
>>> Some observations:
>>>
>>> 0) Everyone has to sign the CLA. It covers published reports. 1)
>>> The group is not obligated to published reports. If they do, the
>>> CLA applies. 2) People are not obligated to contribute. If they
>>> do, the CLA applies. 3) The group is not obligated to move a
>>> Report to the Rec track. The CLA still applies to the CG's
>>> Report. 4) The Report does not benefit from RF commitments from
>>> all participants over the full text until people sign the "Final
>>> specification agreement", which is voluntary.
>>>
>>> I don't know what you mean by "proprietary way."
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>>> Best reagrds, Kristian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 28.06.2011 16:21, schrieb Ian Jacobs:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am looking forward to starting the beta period for
>>>>> Community and Business Groups today. Thank you to those who
>>>>> have send me titles and descriptions for your groups. We will
>>>>> be adding those to the system. When everything is in place
>>>>> and "cleaned up" I'll write to let you know that we're
>>>>> underway. I expect this later today Chicago time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's what I expect you will be able to do during the beta:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Join these groups. This involves making a licensing
>>>>> commitment (even in beta). All this should be obvious through
>>>>> the UI, and if it is not, we'll fix it.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Start using mailing lists, blog, and wiki for discussions,
>>>>> writing, and so forth. The lists and wiki are not new pieces
>>>>> of infrastructure, but the blog (WordPress) is. There are
>>>>> features for polls, events, and obviously generic blogging. I
>>>>> look forward to hearing your feedback on using a blog to
>>>>> create news for your group home page.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) Check out the site; look for bugs, missing information,
>>>>> etc. Please use public-council@w3.org to share your
>>>>> observations and bug reports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's what you won't be able to do during the beta:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Publish documents. Of course, that does not prevent you
>>>>> from writing things down in a wiki. But we are developing a
>>>>> webmaster-free publications tool and we've not implemented it
>>>>> yet. I hope to have it at launch or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that these resources and tools will be public but
>>>>> not loudly announced. Therefore, I would like to request
>>>>> that, while you should certainly invite people to participate
>>>>> in your groups, that you not do broad announcements for the
>>>>> time being.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be announcing publicly (via the W3C blog) the start of
>>>>> the beta (but not pointing to the site). In the post I plan
>>>>> to let people know that we are doing a beta and that the
>>>>> public launch will take place around 25 July.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ Tel:
>>>>> +1 718 260 9447
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- ________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> Kristian Sons Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche
>>>> Intelligenz GmbH, DFKI Agenten und Simulierte Realität Campus,
>>>> Geb. D 3 2, Raum 0.77 66123 Saarbrücken, Germany
>>>>
>>>> Phone: +49 681 85775-3833 Phone: +49 681 302-3833 Fax:   +49
>>>> 681 85775–2235 kristian.sons@dfki.de http://www.xml3d.org
>>>>
>>>> Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster
>>>> (Vorsitzender) Dr. Walter Olthoff
>>>>
>>>> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
>>>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
>>>> ________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- ________________________________________________________
>>
>> Kristian Sons Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche
>> Intelligenz GmbH, DFKI Agenten und Simulierte Realität Campus D
>> 3-2, Stuhlsatzenhausweg 3,  D-66123 Saarbrücken, Germany Phone:
>> (+49 681) 302-3833, Fax: ...-3843, E-Mail: kristian.sons@dfki.de
>> Mobil:  +49 151 / 50 98 76 08 DFKI Informationen:
>> http://www.dfki.de
>>
>> Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster
>> (Vorsitzender) Dr. Walter Olthoff
>>
>> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
>> ________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ Tel:
> +1 718 260 9447
>
>


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Kristian Sons
Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche Intelligenz GmbH, DFKI
Agenten und Simulierte Realität
Campus, Geb. D 3 2, Raum 0.77
66123 Saarbrücken, Germany

Phone: +49 681 85775-3833
Phone: +49 681 302-3833
Fax:   +49 681 85775–2235
kristian.sons@dfki.de
http://www.xml3d.org

Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender)
Dr. Walter Olthoff

Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
________________________________________________________
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