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Re: CLA question

From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 16:56:27 -0500
Cc: public-council@w3.org
Message-Id: <8420B792-3D53-490C-A64D-EC5A7314147C@w3.org>
To: Kristian Sons <kristian.sons@dfki.de>

On 30 Jun 2011, at 4:32 PM, Kristian Sons wrote:

> Dear Ian,
> 
> > * You make a commitment that is really aimed at _the specification
> > produced by the CG_
> > * You can license your patent claims differently
> > in other contexts.
> 
> that's exactly the information I needed. I apologize I couldn't find out without comments.

No worries. I have added a link to the W3C Pat Policy FAQ and "Business benefits" document from the new CG FAQ. That might help a little, even if the two policies are distinct.

Ian

> 
> Best regards,
>  Kristian
> 
> 
> Am 30.06.2011 15:29, schrieb Ian Jacobs:
>> 
>> On 30 Jun 2011, at 5:07 AM, Kristian Sons wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Ian,
>>> 
>>> I'm not very good in "Legal English". Thus let me try to give an
>>> example:
>>> 
>>> Company A has a bright idea for CG B and contributes it. Now it's
>>> published as agreed by CLA. For some reason, CG B is not successful
>>> and discontinues its work. Now company A decides to exploit the
>>> bright idea in a proprietary product and would like to protect the
>>> idea using a patent.
>>> 
>>> This is nothing that applies to me (or the DFKI), but I was asked
>>> this during the information event we had during Web3D 2011.
>> 
>> Under the CLA [1] patent holders can limit the scope of use of their
>> patents (see 12.8.3).
>> 
>> Thus:
>> 
> 
>> 
>> Note that the essential claims terms are the same as for the W3C
>> Patent Policy. We have a document that may be useful to explaining
>> the protections available through these terms. See:
>> 
>> Business Benefits of the W3C Patent Policy
>> http://www.w3.org/2004/03/pp-points-20040210.html
>> 
>> Let me know if that helps. Please do ask me lots of questions about
>> the CLA!
>> 
>> Ian
>> 
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/
>> 
>>> Thanks. Also thanks to your whole team setting up all this nice
>>> infrastructure so fast!!
>>> 
>>> Kristian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 29.06.2011 16:27, schrieb Ian Jacobs:
>>>> On 29 Jun 2011, at 9:14 AM, Kristian Sons wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dear Ian,
>>>>> 
>>>>> great news. I saw that the mailing lists are set up. I assume
>>>>> they are ready to use, is that right?
>>>> Yes.
>>>>> I have a question regarding the CLA, actually it's a question
>>>>> Neil Trevett (Khronos/Nvidia) raised on our preparation
>>>>> meeting: If the CG will never complete a specification / will
>>>>> never transit to to W3C Recommendation Track (of course we hope
>>>>> that will not happen), what about my contributions? In other
>>>>> words: If W3C will never utilize my contribution, I will not be
>>>>> able to exploit it in a proprietary way because it's under
>>>>> CLA?
>>>>> 
>>>>> This might be an issue for organizations...
>>>> Some observations:
>>>> 
>>>> 0) Everyone has to sign the CLA. It covers published reports. 1)
>>>> The group is not obligated to published reports. If they do, the
>>>> CLA applies. 2) People are not obligated to contribute. If they
>>>> do, the CLA applies. 3) The group is not obligated to move a
>>>> Report to the Rec track. The CLA still applies to the CG's
>>>> Report. 4) The Report does not benefit from RF commitments from
>>>> all participants over the full text until people sign the "Final
>>>> specification agreement", which is voluntary.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know what you mean by "proprietary way."
>>>> 
>>>> Ian
>>>> 
>>>>> Best reagrds, Kristian
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 28.06.2011 16:21, schrieb Ian Jacobs:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am looking forward to starting the beta period for
>>>>>> Community and Business Groups today. Thank you to those who
>>>>>> have send me titles and descriptions for your groups. We will
>>>>>> be adding those to the system. When everything is in place
>>>>>> and "cleaned up" I'll write to let you know that we're
>>>>>> underway. I expect this later today Chicago time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here's what I expect you will be able to do during the beta:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Join these groups. This involves making a licensing
>>>>>> commitment (even in beta). All this should be obvious through
>>>>>> the UI, and if it is not, we'll fix it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2) Start using mailing lists, blog, and wiki for discussions,
>>>>>> writing, and so forth. The lists and wiki are not new pieces
>>>>>> of infrastructure, but the blog (WordPress) is. There are
>>>>>> features for polls, events, and obviously generic blogging. I
>>>>>> look forward to hearing your feedback on using a blog to
>>>>>> create news for your group home page.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3) Check out the site; look for bugs, missing information,
>>>>>> etc. Please use public-council@w3.org to share your
>>>>>> observations and bug reports.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here's what you won't be able to do during the beta:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1) Publish documents. Of course, that does not prevent you
>>>>>> from writing things down in a wiki. But we are developing a
>>>>>> webmaster-free publications tool and we've not implemented it
>>>>>> yet. I hope to have it at launch or shortly thereafter.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please note that these resources and tools will be public but
>>>>>> not loudly announced. Therefore, I would like to request
>>>>>> that, while you should certainly invite people to participate
>>>>>> in your groups, that you not do broad announcements for the
>>>>>> time being.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will be announcing publicly (via the W3C blog) the start of
>>>>>> the beta (but not pointing to the site). In the post I plan
>>>>>> to let people know that we are doing a beta and that the
>>>>>> public launch will take place around 25 July.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Let me know if you have any questions!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ Tel:
>>>>>> +1 718 260 9447
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- ________________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kristian Sons Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche
>>>>> Intelligenz GmbH, DFKI Agenten und Simulierte Realität Campus,
>>>>> Geb. D 3 2, Raum 0.77 66123 Saarbrücken, Germany
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone: +49 681 85775-3833 Phone: +49 681 302-3833 Fax:   +49
>>>>> 681 85775–2235 kristian.sons@dfki.de http://www.xml3d.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster
>>>>> (Vorsitzender) Dr. Walter Olthoff
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
>>>>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
>>>>> ________________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- ________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Kristian Sons Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche
>>> Intelligenz GmbH, DFKI Agenten und Simulierte Realität Campus D
>>> 3-2, Stuhlsatzenhausweg 3,  D-66123 Saarbrücken, Germany Phone:
>>> (+49 681) 302-3833, Fax: ...-3843, E-Mail: kristian.sons@dfki.de
>>> Mobil:  +49 151 / 50 98 76 08 DFKI Informationen:
>>> http://www.dfki.de
>>> 
>>> Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster
>>> (Vorsitzender) Dr. Walter Olthoff
>>> 
>>> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
>>> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
>>> ________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/ Tel:
>> +1 718 260 9447
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ________________________________________________________
> 
> Kristian Sons
> Deutsches Forschungszentrum für Künstliche Intelligenz GmbH, DFKI
> Agenten und Simulierte Realität
> Campus, Geb. D 3 2, Raum 0.77
> 66123 Saarbrücken, Germany
> 
> Phone: +49 681 85775-3833
> Phone: +49 681 302-3833
> Fax:   +49 681 85775–2235
> kristian.sons@dfki.de
> http://www.xml3d.org
> 
> Geschäftsführung: Prof. Dr. Dr. h.c. mult. Wolfgang Wahlster (Vorsitzender)
> Dr. Walter Olthoff
> 
> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: Prof. Dr. h.c. Hans A. Aukes
> Amtsgericht Kaiserslautern, HRB 2313
> ________________________________________________________
> 
> 

--
Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)    http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
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