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Re: What will incentivize deployment of explicit proxies?

From: (wrong string) 陈智昌 <willchan@chromium.org>
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:12:55 -0800
Message-ID: <CAA4WUYhcbUAmMDm+1RNiUhM8KrT2gO7n3OhTOfbLMnmpXP5h9g@mail.gmail.com>
To: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Cc: Werner Baumann <werner.baumann@onlinehome.de>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Hey hey, there's no reason to make this personal :) I never said I
have no responsibility here. I just tried to make a funny quip that
the...more passionate factions of the larger Chromium project will be
very...passionate in their response to certain ideas. Is there a
reason you wish to make this about me all of a sudden?

Let me be clear, I in general think it's terrible to burden the user
with decisions which they are largely unable to reason about. And I
think it's wrong to expect them to have the knowledge to reason about
it. And I disagree with the argument that browser vendors must provide
all possible configuration options so users can do whatever they want.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6 December 2013 12:26, Werner Baumann <werner.baumann@onlinehome.de> wrote:
>> [...] the dogma that users are stupid.
>
> Not stupid, never stupid.  It's respect.
>
> UI surface area imposes costs upon users.  We cannot - should not -
> externalize our problems by shunting them on users.
>
> This isn't purely a security problem either; there are security
> aspects to this, but they aren't the only concerns.  I expect better
> of Will than to try to shift focus onto some faceless "security team",
> he owns some responsibility here too.
>
Received on Friday, 6 December 2013 22:13:22 UTC

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