- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:30:03 -0500
- To: jcieslak@us.ibm.com
- Cc: "Williams, Stuart" <skw@hplb.hpl.hp.com>, xml-dist-app@w3.org
To the editors: Thank you for undertaking this. I think you have done an excellent job, and overall it's a big step forward. I too prefer the "radical" change that gets rid of the term "actor". Here are a couple of comments on areas of the rewrite that do concern me a bit. === One significant change that I would suggest: you have struck out the text that the end of section 2.5 that reads; "When multiple body elements are present, such elements MAY represent a single unit of work to be performed, MAY represent multiple separate processing steps, possibly but not necessarily in order, MAY represent data or metadata, MAY convey a mixture of work units and data, etc. The ultimate SOAP recipient MAY use the local name(s) and namespace name(s), on any or all body elements, to determine the processing to be performed. Indeed, the SOAP RPC convention (see [1]Using SOAP for RPC ) uses just such a method. Conversely, other information in the body and/or headers MAY be used to make such a determination.[2]" I agree that the specification is coherent without this paragraph, but we discovered when we considered bodies and consulted with soapbuilders, that different readers of the specification inferred conflicting "obvious" interpretations for the use of <body>. I think that this paragraph, or something like it goes a long way toward clarifying our intention. I would keep it, or possibly reword it (I don't find it too bad as it stands.) ==== Another less serious concern: In section 2.2 you removed the sentence that says "A SOAP node can establish itself as the ultimate SOAP receiver by acting in the (additional) role of the anonymous SOAP actor." In section 2.3, you do say "A SOAP header block is said to be targeted to a SOAP node if the SOAP actor role (if present) on the header block matches (see [7]) a role played by the SOAP node, or in the case of a SOAP header block with no actor role attribute information item, if the SOAP node is acting in the role of the ultimate SOAP receiver." The reason this bothers me a bit is that we have muddied the notion that there is a set of roles in which a node acts, with that set triggering the processing of headers in a uniform manner. I agree that the term "anonymous actor" could be improved, but the proposed revision makes the processing of untargeted headers at the endpoint look like magic. Perhaps more disturbingly, it leaves somewhat vague the question of whether an intermediary could also choose to serve in the role of what we used to call "anonymous actor". Our original specification made clear that (for better or worse) the answer was "yes". I would prefer one of two formulations to resolve this question: a) go back to the original notion that a missing actor/role attribute in fact designates yet one other role: a role that any intermediary could choose to play, and that the end point MUST assume -or- b) prohibit header blocks with missing role attributes. Instead, define a distinguished role http://www.w3.org/2001/12/soap-envelope/role/endpoint to be used on headers destined for the end point, and required that the endpoint indeed play that role. === I have a few other more minor comments, but they are more in the range of editorial suggestions. As long as they will still be accepted for consideration later, I would be prepared to adopt your proposed rewording in the meantime as long as the issues above are resolved first. Again, I think you have taken a significant step forward. Thank you! ------------------------------------------------------------------ Noah Mendelsohn Voice: 1-617-693-4036 IBM Corporation Fax: 1-617-693-8676 One Rogers Street Cambridge, MA 02142 ------------------------------------------------------------------
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