- From: Dick Brooks (E) <dick@8760.com>
- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:02:57 -0500
- To: "Ken MacLeod" <ken@bitsko.slc.ut.us>, <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
Ken, The ebXML specs should also be included in your listing of specifications that define packaging specifications and headers. The ebXML strawman packaging spec could become publicly available within two weeks. The ebXML group is creating a "generic" set of headers that will be used for identification, routing and packaging, but will also be used to define processing behavior (simplex, request/response, asynchronous response, full messaging). The latest ebXML Packaging spec can be accessed at: http://www.xml.org/archives/ebxml-transport/msg00621.html There is a separate document describing the ebXML headers, but it's still under development. Dick Brooks http://www.8760.com/ -----Original Message----- From: xml-dist-app-request@w3.org [mailto:xml-dist-app-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Ken MacLeod Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 2:37 PM To: xml-dist-app@w3.org Subject: Re: W3C plan for XML protocol work Tom Harding <tomh@thinlink.com> writes: > > We've been under pressure from many sources, including the advisory > > board, to address the threat of fragmentation of and investigate the > > exciting opportunities in the area of XML protocols. > > I took a very minimalist approach to this problem in an internet > draft that has since expired. There's a link to it at > http://www.thinlink.com/xp. Thanks for posting that. I had a link to the XP draft but no pointer to a lasting copy. (nudge to Eric) I think I have a facet that helps distinguish protocols and formats (serializations): "envelope" or "generic envelope". Much of what we've been calling "protocol" has been _usage_ or _application_ of envelope format, rather than any specific definition of an envelope format. For example, SOAP defines a format for specifying envelopes, and then _only_ one usage (RPC) of that format. XP here, by implication, defines an envelope format using XML processing instructions, and one usage (request/response) using that format. (Noting aside, XP does not define serialization.) Put another way, "protocols" can be built using generic envelopes or they can use custom envelopes -- generic XML schema or custem XML schema for the protocol envelope. "Extensible headers", as used in some places, is synonomous to "generic envelope", it's a term used to (hopefully) infer that the spec is defining a format (serialization) for headers seperate from any particular usage of those headers (RPC/messaging). Here's a first cut breakdown of which specs on the table define/use a custom/fixed, generic, or don't define an envelope. Note, any "custom" envelope could probably be extrapolated to a generic envelope, the label below just means that the spec didn't explicitly do that. Spec Envelope facet ------------------ -------------- BizTalk custom ICE custom IOTP custom Jabber custom LDO generic LOTP generic SOAP generic Userland's XML-RPC custom WDDX custom XP custom Here's verbiage for the facet definition: Envelope Defines a format for packet/message envelopes and headers. Custom Envelope+header is fixed or doesn't follow a generic serialization. Generic Envelope+header is generic/extensible and/or follows a generic serialization. Note that these definitions lump two facets together, 1) generic serialization used in header, 2) whether the values of those headers are fixed or extensible. For example, a complete, fixed protocol specification that is built upon generic header and payload specifications doesn't fit in either of these categories. This definition of "envelope" is intended to seperate out the syntax component of the "protocol" facet. -- Ken P.S. I notice that a lot of the facets I'm describing are tending to be enumerations (has to a degree) where Eric's have been booleans (has or doesn't have), is this a good thing?
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