- From: Liv Aasa Holm <Liv.A.Holm@jbi.hio.no>
- Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:54:57 +0100
- To: Madeleine Stovel <BL.MDS@RLG.ORG>, Pieter Van Lierop <pvanlierop@geac.fr>, www-zig <www-zig@w3.org>
Peter, in all our implementations so far we have interpreted "name normalized" as <last name>, <first name> with one _OR MORE_ spaces between the two. The critic to this has been: "This is the normalized form in most of the western world, but not in the world as a whole". It has never been any difficulties in reducing several spaces to one space between the two parts. I have the impression tha this interpretation of "normalized form" comes from AACR 2. Is that correct? Liv ===== Original Message from Pieter Van Lierop <pvanlierop@geac.fr> at 20.02.02 08:39 >Lennie, >This is typically an example of why Z39.50 without profiles is so hopelessly >complex in interoperability issues. The definition you cite says in fact: >the server can do what it wants. So if the server says: For me a normalized >name is a first name followed by 5 dots and then the last name: That is >perfectly legal Z39.50. > >I will re-formulate my question: >What would a normalized name "normally" be: ><LastName> space <FirstName> ><LastName> comma <FirstName> ><LastName> comma space<FirstName> >or should the server support all of these? > >For example, it is not clear to me what the Bath profile says. > >Pieter >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Madeleine Stovel [mailto:BL.MDS@RLG.ORG] >> Envoyé : mardi 19 février 2002 22:11 >> À : www-zig@w3.org >> Objet : 2 simple questions (?) >> >> >> REPLY TO 02/19/02 06:15 FROM WWW-ZIG@W3.ORG: 2 simple questions (?) >> >> >Dear zig-gers, >> >2 simple question but I did not find the answers on the Z39.50 pages: >> > >> >1. normalized name >> >Is there a concensus about what a normalized name should be? >> (Structure >> >attribute 106 "name (normalized)") >> >The standard says nothing about this. >> >The bath profile references the ATS-1 profile which >> references AACR2 rules. >> >(http://lcweb.loc.gov/z3950/agency/profiles/ats.html) >> > >> >Maybe we should make an implementor agreement that it should be: >> ><LastName>,<FirstName> >> >with 0 or more spaces between <LastName> and comma, and >> between comma and >> ><FirstName> >> > >> > >> >Pieter van Lierop >> >Geac >> Pieter, >> >> The bib-1 semantics imply that that's what a normalized name should >> be. >> >> Name 101 A name search term that is >> structured in a >> (normalized) particular order (e.g., last_name, >> first_name). The resulting >> term is subject to >> special matching rules on the >> target system >> that differ from those >> applied to names >> structured as phrases or >> unstructured names. >> >> I think what's in ATS-1 is more or less the consensus, although the >> consensus was also not to use ATS-1, more or less. >> >> -- Lennie >> >> To: WWW-ZIG@W3.ORG >> ===== Comments by Liv.A.Holm@jbi.hio.no (Liv Aasa Holm) at 20.02.02 08:51 ******************************************************* Liv A. Holm associate professor Oslo University college faculty of journalism, library and information science tel. +47-22-45-27-77 fax.:+47-22-45-26-05 *******************************************************
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