- From: Ashley Sanders <zzaascs@irwell.mimas.ac.uk>
- Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 15:18:05 +0100
- To: Robert Sanderson <azaroth@liverpool.ac.uk>
- Cc: ZIG <www-zig@w3.org>
Robert Sanderson wrote:
> No session support? No separate search/present? No ASN/BER ? No multiple
> record syntaxes? No -scan-?
>
> Getting rid of these makes it next to useless in context. At least you
> didn't cut out search completely (which would make it almost identical to
> OAI). Exactly how does ZNG preserve anything of the current Z protocol?
It preserves the jargon. That's it as far as I can tell.
It has one plus point -- no Bib-1.
http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/zng.html says:
: Flat access points will be defined, rather than utilizing
: attribute vectors as in standard Z39.50. For example, consider
: 'title - word' and 'title - phrase'. In ZNG these would be
: represented as distinct access points (rather than two attribute
: combinations with the same Use attribute and different qualifying
: attributes).
This is something that is lacking in the current standard. It is
certainly a movement in the right direction (which, IMHO, the new
attribute architecture wasn't.)
> Without sessions, resultset storage will be as little
> implemented as it is now.
I suspect Robbie is being too optimistic about this and that a
lot of developers just wont bother with result set storage. The
architecture is such it would be just oh so easy to conveniently
forget about it. A lot of developers seem to do the bare minimum
neccessary already. This wont give ZNG a reputation for being
efficient.
Database providers and service funders like sessions as it makes
usage analysis much easier and useful. A session makes it
possible to see how someone is using the system.
A search response could pass back a session-id for inclusion in
subsequent searchess, but there's no gaurantee a client would
subsequently use it. But that's what you get with a
connectionless "protocol" and no Init.
: The Z39.50 concept of record syntax is not meaningful in ZNG and
: is discarded; all ZNG records will be retrieved according to a
: single record syntax: XML.
How do you tell the client what you've packaged up in that
weighty XML envelope?
Pieter Van Lierop wrote:
> I am sceptical about the idea of trying to make a "mainstream protocol", if
> only because "mainstream" means "simplified" which means "poor".
Have to agree with that.
Ashley.
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