- From: Paul Grosso <pgrosso@arbortext.com>
- Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:07:59 -0500
- To: Andrew n marshall <amarshal@zig.usc.edu>
- Cc: jessholle@erols.com
At 13:04 2000 04 19 -0700, you wrote: >I just read through the complete archives and was baffled to not find any >response to Jesse Holle's excellent observation about the apparent overlap >between XPath and Fragments (see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-fragment-comments/1999Sep/0001.h tml). > >Can someone please respond to this issue (or forward me responses if the >archive is incomplete)? It appears there was no answer to this. Comment lists aren't necessarily for discussion, and the Fragment Interchange spec isn't currently in active review, so no action was taken with regard to this comment. (However, that's no excuse for no one having taken the effort to make a polite reply.) Being as there is no working group with this spec currently on its plate, I can only make a personal reply. It is almost tautologically true that there is a homomorphism between XPointer and the syntax of a fragment entity because XPointer is designed to be able to address into the structure of an XML document, and a fragment entity is designed to represent the context of a fragment body using XML syntax. One goal of the fragment spec was to define a fragment entity to be a well-formed XML document, whereas a goal of XPointer was to be embeddable in a URI, so the syntaxes chosen are different. But more importantly, what the XML Fragment Interchange spec is defining is a way to exchange the *context* of a well-balanced chunk of XML, not the chunk itself. XPointer addresses the chunk, and the fragment format expects XPointer to be used to do so, but the whole point of the fragment spec--and what the bulk of what gets transmitted is doing--is to define the fragment context. Whereas the XPointer shown in Jess' example does appear to "reflect" the context, an XPointer implementation would use that XPointer to address a chunk, but it wouldn't know or do anything about context. While it might be logically possible to write some code that would parse an XPointer and intuit the context from what was given in the XPointer, the idea of the fragment syntax was that a regular XML parser would find the fragment body at a point when the parser had naturally been put into the right context with no extra effort. Furthermore, a fragment entity could be written to process a given fragment body in *any* context, not just the one from which the fragment body was actually retrieved, whereas if the retrieving XPointer also encodes the context, that couldn't be the case. paul
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