- From: Shivaram Mysore <Shivaram.Mysore@Sun.COM>
- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 10:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
- To: www-xkms-ws@w3.org
- Cc: pbaker@verisign.com
Here are some more comments on the proposal:
section 1: We mention "the XML architectural approach"? Is there a doc
you can hyperlink to? I think we need to be little more specific.
section 2, PKI: typo: "subtly" -> "subtleties"
section 3, 6th question: "... XML based Trust Services are the only
acceptable technology as yet proposed" is a bit opinionated with
no rationale. The PKIX DPV/DPD protocols are another technology
that is attempting to solve part of this problem.
Though we talk about PKIX in the earlier paragraph, the sentence is a
little rough.
I would put it as "XML based Trust Services is becoming more acceptable
technology as yet proposed".
/Shivaram
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> > Correct, and I've now fixed the Encryption charter to read,
> > "All required,
> > recommended, and optional features ..."
>
> OK, changed.
>
> One nit though, does this mean that if we say 'support for SPKI is optional'
> then someone has to do it.
>
>
>
> > I think we're going to have to go to the trouble. In the
> > submission [1], some
> > of the submitters made it clear that derivative works were
> > permitted and that
> > any patents would be available RF (royalty free), others were
> > less clear
> > about derivative works and stated a RAND (reasonable and
> > non-discriminatory)
> > license would be available. This is fine for a NOTE, but not for a
> > deliverable of a WG.
>
> > [1] http://www.w3.org/Submission/2001/08/
> >
> > The quickie breakdown is:
> >
> > A. Permits derivative works and grants Royalty Free license
> > for patents:
> > Microsoft Corporation, VeriSign Inc., webMethods Inc.,
> > Citigroup, Reuters
> > Limited.
> >
> > B. Unstated terms for derivative works and RAND License for patents:
> > Baltimore Technologies, Hewlett-Packard Company,
> > International Business
> > Machines Corporation, IONA Technologies, PureEdge
>
> The significant point here is that the invention was by VeriSign,
> Microsoft, webMethods and Citigroup. The only other company directly
> involved in the design stage was nanobiz which VRSN has now bought.
>
> Baltimore, IBM, HP etc wanted to support the proposal but the
> overhead of checking their IPR is high and would not have been
> completed in time for the Note submission.
>
> I have no problems putting an RF statement in the charter, but
> I am not going to draft it. Does the W3C have an RF statement
> from elsewhere that we can plug in?
>
>
> > So clarifying the right of the W3C to make a derivative work
> > treated solely
> > under the W3C license is fairly easy, I wrote boiler-plate
> > [2] for that for
> > the SOAP submission that I'd have to get the companies in
> > class B to agree
> > to. The patent issue is a tough nut to crack and is currently
> > the critical
> > path issue for a number of new activities at the W3C. If you
> > already have a
> > MOU, that's very convenient because this issue would probably
> > be the biggest
> > source of delay in starting the activity.
> >
> > > 11. W3C Team commitment: Per our discussions, I thought the
> > W3C staff
> > > indicated they didn't want to co-chair or edit. So why the
> > parenthetical
> > > note? Maybe Joeseph or Danny can suggest text more
> > explicitly defining
> > > their role?
> >
> > "The W3C Team will dedicate 20% of a single person to this
> > activity for
> > active WG participation and the Staff Contact role: liasoning
> > with other
> > Staff Contacts of identified WGs, and advising the Chair and
> > WG on W3C
> > Process and Publishing."
>
> OK. Frontpage is suggesting lassoing rather than liasoning but
> I'll stick with your version.
>
> > Finally, I don't expect the XKMS to have representation on
> > XML CG. They're
> > kind of stingy with that (they like to keep it small) and
> > invite folks with
> > mutual bi-directional dependencies: xmldsig nor xenc have
> > been members. I'd
> > expect the list name would be www-xkms@w3.org (folks are
> > trying to make our
> > conventions for list names between public/member more
> > consistent) and the URI
> > of the activity would be http://www.w3.org/2001/XKMS (like
> > Encryption had to
> > do).
> >
> >
> > [2] Declaration of [Submitter]
> >
> > [Submitter] hereby grants to the W3C, a perpetual, nonexclusive,
> > royalty-free, world-wide right and license under any [Submitter]
> > copyrights in this contribution to copy, publish and
> > distribute the
> > contribution, as well as a right and license of the same
> > scope to any
> > derivative works prepared by the W3C and based on, or
> > incorporating all
> > or part of the contribution. [Submitter] further agrees that any
> > derivative works of this contribution prepared by the W3C shall be
> > solely owned by the W3C.
>
> Where do I put that?
>
>
> Phill
>
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