- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 08:58:14 -0800
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Brief minutes below:
Present: DBooth, JMarsh, Glen, Umit
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1. Issue LC50: Message Exchange Patterns -- p2c and/or p2e [.1]
- Proposed resolution [.2]
- Definition of node: [.3, .4]
- Status: We have agreed not to change the MEP itself, and have
agreement about what the behavior is. I think we need to turn
[.2] into specific changes in the spec (if any), and iron out
the wording of our node definition [.3].
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/#LC50
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Nov/0088.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Nov/0070.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Nov/0072.html
<Marsh> Everyone likes DBooth's definition of node.
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2. Issue LC5f: QA Review on WSDL 2.0 Part 1, intro and conformance
issues (f) [.1]
- Roberto's proposal [.2]
- No final resolution from FTF [.3], AIs to DBooth/Roberto and DaveO
to write up competing proposals
- Status: We are generally in favor of restructuring or removing
our processor conformance section. We are still waiting for
written proposals. I'm not sure we'll get these proposals
by Thursday, but perhaps we can make some progress outlining
the proposals and moving these actions forward. Or agree that
on approach is better.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/4/lc-issues/issues.html#LC5f
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Oct/0027.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2004Nov/0037.html
General recap of the issues and status quo, and some discussion on what
we're really trying to achieve.
GlenD: Goals of processor conformance: Allow someone to point to the
spec and complain if someone else is non-conformant. Also to have a
product stamped "WSDL 2.0 Conformant".
Without DaveO or Roberto no significant progress can be made on concrete
proposals, or on reconciling those approaches.
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David also asked Glen about whether we should note in the spec how a
client requests that a required feature be engaged (it's the servers
choice.)
We're discussing adding a way to mark in WSDL the difference between a
server requiring a feature and actually engaging the feature. I.e. A
server can require a feature but then not use it. A client can choose
whether or not to engage a non-required feature. Suggesting adding some
guidance (not a marker).
Glen: Hard to do that without adding more confusion.
Umit: Client always wants to recieve messages in an encrypted
fashion. Not a WSDL problem.
Glen: Has to be out of band agreement.
DBooth: This is what I wanted to warn about. If there's an optional
extension, the client must be able to indicate (in-band or
out-of-band) whether to engage that extension.
Marsh: So a client can't tell just from looking at a batch of
WSDLs whether a required feature will be engaged by the
server.
Glen: No, but individual features (e.g. security), can specify how
or whether a feature will be engaged by the server, and the
client can rely on that.
Glen: This guidance would be great as a note or a blog, but doesn't
seem like it should go into the spec.
Glen: Like best practices and patterns of using TCP.
Ajourned.
Received on Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:58:11 UTC