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- Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:56:37 -0400
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Minutes of the 20 June 2002 WS Desc telcon Present: Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems David Booth W3C Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software Glen Daniels Macromedia Youenn Fablet Canon Dietmar Gaertner Software AG Martin Gudgin Microsoft Corporation Tom Jordahl Macromedia Jacek Kopecky Systinet Philippe Le Hégaret W3C Steve Lind AT&T Michael Mahan Nokia Jonathan Marsh Microsoft Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon Don Mullen Tibco Johan Pauhlsson L'Echangeur Jochen Ruetschlin DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology Arthur Ryman IBM Adi Sakala IONA Technologies Krishna Sankar Cisco Systems Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates William Stumbo Xerox Jerry Thrasher Lexmark William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM Don Wright Lexmark Joyce Yang Oracle Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. Regrets: Michael Champion Software AG Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems Laurent De Teneuille L'Echangeur Tim Finin University of Maryland Mario Jeckle DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology Dan Kulp IONA Kevin Canyang Liu SAP Pallavi Malu Intel Michael Mealling Verisign Stefano Pogliani Sun Waqar Sadiq Electronic Data Systems Daniel Schutzer Citigroup Dave Solo Citigroup Sandra Swearingen U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force Absent: Mike Davoren W. W. Grainger Steve Graham Global Grid Forum Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems Mike McHugh W. W. Grainger Steve Tuecke Global Grid Forum Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0108.html Scribe: Mike Mahan Approval of minutes: june6 minutes approved f2f minutes - need another week to review f2f minutes are in irc log Jonathan will not consolidate f2f minutes Review of Action items. DONE 2002.06.06: Joyce to write up rationale for dropping operation overloading. DONE 2002.06.06: GlenD to write up his proposed extensibility spec DONE 2002.06.06: GlenD and JJ will prepare a Soap MEP presentation for F2F RETIRED 2002.06.06: Jeffrey to write solicit-response proposal to discuss at f2f PENDING 2002.06.10: Martin to provide component descriptions for July 12. [in time for July 20 teleconf] DONE 2002.06.20: Jacek to write a concrete proposal for solicit-response PENDING 2002.06.11: Jeffrey to write up his two requirements for solicit-response PENDING 2002.06.11: Martin is to follow up with Eric Prud'hommeux to see what he means by this requirement. No reply from Eric yet. See http://lists.w3.org/Archive/Member/w3c-archive/2002Jun/0031.html ACTION: converging issues list for single view - Jonathan will take Publications: Draft for WSDL part 1 and part 2 - take a snapshot this week Sanjiva: alittle work to do still - will ask for comments JonathanM: next week we should be ready for pub JonathanM: will do deadline for show stoppers and ready for publish in July JonathanM: what about part2? Can we take the snapshot Sanjiva: some editorial comments needed Jean-J: thinks the april version is pretty ready JonathanM: call for objections next week. Requirements doc: 2 items to do Philippe requirements doc: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/requirements/ws-desc-reqs.html item 1: for Eric: what does RDF req mean in practice JonathanM: do we need to wait for eric? Or just publish and move on? JM in favor of publishing as is. Eric needed more for scope of meeting req, not the req itself item 2: WSA analysis - all issues are compatible should this be pushed back? Yes next week's telecon will be a vote on req doc jeff: I added the missing 's' in the title of the requirements document. Martin appointed as editor for part1 Jeffery moves to editor of part2 Cancel July4 telecon - clash with US holiday Issues... jump start soap binding issues http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0048.html new issue: specifying soap bindings fault codes - please add to issues list ACTION: - please add to issues list - specifying soap bindings fault codes Closing duplicate issues... ISSUE 60 sanjiva: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html#x60 Sanjiva's proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0111.html Sanjiva: already addressed in issue 111 JonathanM: all the issues have similar reasons to close JonathanM: will track all issues on list. Otherwise will resolve all next telecon ISSUE 6A: overload operations Jochen still has problem with 6A JonathanM: concensus was reached earlier on 6A. 1 more week is granted to make the case Jochen: we are doing desc not an implementation Sanjiva: not free to keep this issue JeffM: This group does consider the implementation of this desc dbooth: clarify why it is needed Jochem: OK, it is a structure mechanism. JeffS: name munging is req one way or another JeffS: where is the interoperability bar? Some platforms will overload and some will not JonathanM: Take this issue to email. Next week for final vote. JeffM: One last shot: overloading has to be defined relative to a type system. What is the normative WSDL type system that will be used? ISSUE 6B: non soap http binding issues JonathanM: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0102.html JeffS: walks through the issue Encoding of complex types related to the Get issue ?: - this was a 6a comment JonathanM: do we object to resolving the other issues: 6d,d,e, 53-56, clarification to 60 arthur: 41 is an issue to resolve now Jean-J: 53 has an issue, but OK to resolve JonathanM: other than 6A and 41 are there any objections WSD: no objections SOAP binding ISSUES JonathanM: identify champions, survey, analysis of these 6c. Issue: SOAPAction1 #1 ?: how bad is the problem? JonathanM: issue is minor - whether to include quotes sanjiva: to support soap1.1, we have to do it ACTION: sanjiva: AI 'sortof' commits to championing 6C, then later confirms 6d. Issue: SOAPAction2 #2 sanjiva: there is a bigger issue - support soap1.1 or soap1.2 ?: we might need two separate bindings - one for each version ?: no actual req for 1.1, but reality is different ?: however, this WG is more tied to soap1.2 and let someone else specify a 1.1 binding? ?: raise this issue on ml ?: there are soap1.1 & wsdl1.1 issues ?: take on 1.1 binding on a different priority/timetable than main deliverable dietmar: question: is it possible to describe a new HTTP header gudge: generalize further - mechanism for additional bindings for smtp, beep, etc headers JonathanM: is this a new issue? dietmar: a solution here could resolve the soap action issues Jean-J: a soap 1.2 binding may not be suitable for 1.1 ACTION to Jean-J - should we generalize a mechanism to provide protocol headers Jean-J: req document only mentions SOAP1.2 a few times. A Soap 1.1 req was rejected ?: the rejection was not due to 1.1ness JonathanM: there is no req to do 1.1 - maybe a subgroup can publish a note Jean-J: charter only has soap 1.2 JonathanM: lets hear form other points of view - including soapbuilders 6e. Issue: Namespaces #4 JonathanM: this is a best-practices issue... anyone to champion ACTION: gudge volunteers to champion 6f. Issue: Encoding Style #5 JonathanM: champions? ACTION: Arthur: will look at this gudge: scoping rules are the same gudge: type of encodingStyle is now anyURI rather than 'list of anyURI' 6g. Issue: nowhere to specify actor URI in WSDL? #17 ACTION: Jean-J volunteers for 17 6h. Issue: Default for transport of <soap:binding> #18 JonathanM: is this a schema problem? what is the default? ACTION: JeffS volenteers to look at this 6i. Issue: SOAP 1.2 support? #23 ?: support all of SOAP1.2 or what portion? dietmar: important that we have full coverage of 1.2 JonathanM: are there deprecated or optional features in soap 1.2 which wsdl 1.2 will not support? Jean-J: this is a larger issue - how to support soap1.2 Jean-J: a TF may be appropriate since this is larger than a breadbox JonathanM: volunteers for the TF? to describe the boundaries JeffM: I think before we make an arbitrary decision that we have to have full coverage of soap 1.2, I would think we should know exactly what's involved ACTION: glen, Jean-J, MikeM, dietmar volunteer TF to produce report in ~3 weeks JonathanM: this may need f2f time in Sept Jean-J: use mailing list for communications Jean-J: please set up telecon time ACTION: JonathanM will help with telecon logictics 6j. Issue: Real difference between literal vs. encoded? #24 JonathanM: literal vs encoded, this relates to soap1.2 support JeffS: this is a messy one JeffS: big and deserves to be tracked separately sanjiva: this shouldn't be resolved separate from related issues ACTION: JonathanM: postpone this one Champions for 6j,k,l or downwards? JeffS: issue 28 and 18 are similar ACTION: gudge: issue 25 champion ACTION: arthur: issue 30 please ACTION: Issue 32 is a dup identified by Jean-J JonathanM: sorry for boring everyone with administrativa today. adios Summary of Action Items: ACTION: JM. Converging issues list for single view ACTION: ?. add to issues list - specifying soap bindings fault codes ACTION: Sanjiva. Champion for 6c. Issue: SOAPAction1 #1 ACTION: Jean-J. Analyze whether WSD should gneralize a mechanism to provide protocol headers. This was discussed as part of 6d. Issue: SOAPAction2 #2 ACTION: Gudge. Champion for 6e: Issue Namespaces #4 ACTION: Arthur: Champion for 6f. Issue: Encoding Style #5 ACTION: Jean-J Champion for 6g. Issue: nowhere to specify actor URI in WSDL? #17 ACTION: JeffS Champion for 6h. Issue: Default for transport of <soap:binding> #18 ACTION: Jean-J, Glen, Mike, Dietmar create TF. 3 weeks for findings on 6i. Issue: SOAP 1.2 support? #23 ACTION: JonathanM will help with telecon logictics for 6i. Issue: SOAP 1.2 support? #23 ACTION: JonathanM. Postpone 6j. Issue: Real difference between literal vs. encoded? #24 ACTION: Gudge. Champion for 6k. Issue: Unclear relationship between XML Schemas and SOAP data model #25 ACTION: Arthur. Champion for 6o. Issue: soap:body encodingStyle #30. ACTION: Issue Editor. Jean-J identifies dup issue: 6q. Issue: SOAP 1.1 backward compatibility support? #32
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