- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:38:20 -0800
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
Web Services Description Working Group
2002-02-14 meeting minutes
Full minutes: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/14-minutes (members only)
(Note that these are the official minutes, the unapproved version was also sent to the public list. This version is reposted for completeness.)
[1]Working Group home page · [2]Meeting records
[1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#records
Attendance
Participants (30):
* Keith Ballinger, Microsoft Corporation
* Mike Ballantyne, Electronic Data Systems
* David Booth, W3C
* Roberto Chinnici, Sun Microsystems
* Mike Davoren, W. W. Grainger
* Youenn Fablet, Canon
* Dietmar Gaertner, Software AG
* Mario Jeckle, DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
* Tom Jordahl, Macromedia
* Jacek Kopecky, Systinet
* Alan Kotok, DISA
* Sandeep Kumar, Cisco Systems
* Philippe Le Hégaret, W3C
* Kevin Canyang Liu, SAP
* Jonathan Marsh, Microsoft Corporation Chair
* Mike McHugh, W. W. Grainger
* Jeff Mischkinsky, Oracle Corporation
* Dale Moberg, Cyclone Commerce
* Waqar Sadiq, Electronic Data Systems
* Rich Salz, Zolera Systems
* Krishna Sankar, Cisco Systems
* Jeffrey Schlimmer, Microsoft Corporation
* Igor Sedukhin, Computer Associates
* Aaron Skonnard, DevelopMentor
* Sandra Swearingen, U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force
* William Vambenepe, Hewlett-Packard Company
* Sanjiva Weerawarana, IBM Corporation
* Don Wright, Lexmark
* Prasad Yendluri, webMethods, Inc.
* Glen Daniels, Macromedia
Regrets:
* Jean-Jacques Moreau, Canon
Absents:
* Michael Champion, Software AG
* Tim Finin, University of Maryland
* Martin Gudgin, DevelopMentor
* Pallavi Malu, Intel Corporation
* Jochen Ruetschlin, DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology
* Dave Solo, Citigroup
* Daniel Schutzer, Citigroup
* Jerry Thrasher, Lexmark
Observers:
* Adinarayana Sakala, IONA
[4]Agenda (members only)
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Feb/0025.html
* [5]Approval of Minutes
* [6]Encouragement to use IRC
* [7]Face-to-Face Meeting Details
* [8]Editor Appointments
* [9]Issues List
* [10]WS-I.ORG Launched
* [11]Requirements List and User Scenarios
[5] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/minutes
[6] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/irc
[7] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/f2f
[8] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/editors
[9] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/issues
[10] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/wsi
[11] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/02/requirements
Review of outstanding action items
* DONE:2002-02-07. Jeffrey&Jean-Jacques: to extract requirements
from WSDL 1.1 asap.
Agenda items
Approval of Minutes
Scribe today: David Booth (because Mike Ballantyne does not yet
have his IRC working, and Keith Ballinger came on to the call
late).
Resolution: Last week's minutes approved without comment.
Encouragement to use IRC
Participants are encouraged to use IRC during the teleconference
calls, as IRC speeds up the roll call, straw polls, and other tasks; and
helps us to make more accurate notes.
Face-to-Face Meeting Details
It looks like co-locating with the WS-Architecture Working Group will
be best.
Resolution: We will meet the afternoons of April 10, 11 and 12 in San
Jose. Krishna Sankar, Cisco Systems will be hosting.
Discussion of whether to take August off, because many people will be
away for vacations.
Resolution: We will take the month of August off, for vacations. No
conference calls during August.
ACTION: Jonathan Marsh will map the Face-to-Face meetings 6 months in
advance. Due date: Unspecified.
Editor Appointments
Jonathan announced the following editor appointments, and thanked the
volunteers:
Document Editors
Requirements document Jeffrey Schlimmer
Usage scenarios Waqar Sadiq
Web Services description language specification Sanjiva Weerawarana
(lead), Jeffrey Schlimmer, Jean-Jacques Moreau, Martin Gudgin, Roberto
Chinnici
Binding descriptions Jean-Jacques Moreau (lead), Martin Gudgin
RDF mapping Martin Gudgin (lead), Krishna Sankar, (someone from RDF?)
Primer Alan Kotok (lead), Krishna Sankar, Kevin Liu
Test suite TBD
No disagreements were voiced.
Issues List
Jonathan noted that Kevin submitted an [13]issues list, and Keith
contributed [14]some also. Jonathan noted that the public area should
reference the issues list, and requested the people continue to submit
issues that you have with WSDL 1.1.
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Feb/0023.html
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Feb/0024.html
WS-I.ORG Launched
Jonathan mentioned that Janet Daly of sent us [15]email containing
some W3C thoughts on WS-I. Jonathan noted that many organizations are
a part of both W3C and WS-I, and that WS-I seems to be oriented toward
comprehensive multi-specification testing. There were no comments, and
we moved on the next item.
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Feb/0022.html
Requirements List and User Scenarios
Jonathan suggested that we allow a grace period of 1 or 2 weeks to
collect requirements unedited. After that, we will subject new
requirements to greater scrutiny. There was discussion of whether to
initially allow or disallow requirements that are not in WSDL 1.1. The
general consensus was to allow them to be placed on the list (if only
to document their disposition), but assign priorities/dispositions
using the terms "must", "should", "may" and "out of scope", as defined
in [16]rfc2119.
[16] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
ACTION: Jeffrey Schlimmer will assign initial priorities/dispositions
to the requirements, and we will then discuss them later. Due date:
unspecified.
Prasad asked: Are we expecting requirements from the Web Services
Architecture working group, and should we wait to incorporate those
requirements?
Philippe answered: We are not supposed to wait for requirements from
the architecture group. They may take 3-4mos. Requirements from that
group will go into WSDL 2.0.
Jonathan also noted that we may get comments when we publish drafts
also.
Prasad asked: Could the working group agree on acceptance criteria for
requirements? Jonathan suggested that this may take as long as
agreeing on the requirements themselves. Others agreed, and Prasad
withdrew the motion.
Waqar requested that the group send user scenarios. People suggested
that we could talk about web services that would be deployed, and that
we may be able to lift some from the XML Protocol WG. Don suggested
that usage scenarios would be helpful in refining requirements. Others
agreed that user scenarios would be very helpful in refining the
requirements.
ACTION: Waqar will jumpstart the creation of user scenarios. Due date:
Unspecified.
Jonathan: Ok, we'll accept unedited requirements until next Tuesday,
and then we'll get more stringent.
ACTION: Jeffrey will create a specific list of requirements for
discussion next week (the top 5 or 10 or whatever he thinks is
appropriate). Due date: Next teleconference (Feb. 21, 2002).
Summary of new action items
* 2002.02.14. Jonathan Marsh will map the Face-to-Face meetings 6
months in advance. Due date: Unspecified.
* 2002.02.14. Jeffrey Schlimmer will assign initial
priorities/dispositions to the requirements, and we will then
discuss them later. Due date: unspecified.
* 2002.02.14. Waqar will jumpstart the creation of user scenarios.
Due date: Unspecified.
* 2002.02.14. Jeffrey will create a specific list of requirements
for discussion next week (the top 5 or 10 or whatever he thinks is
appropriate). Due date: Next teleconference (Feb. 21, 2002).
_________________________________________________________________
Scribe: David Booth
Received on Thursday, 21 February 2002 14:47:13 UTC