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Re: Magic

From: Mark Baker <distobj@acm.org>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:33:01 -0400
To: "Newcomer, Eric" <Eric.Newcomer@iona.com>
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Message-ID: <20030519143301.B8799@www.markbaker.ca>

I guess I have to respond to this ...

On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 08:27:22AM -0400, Newcomer, Eric wrote:
> Mark,
> This is a very interesting response.  You do not allow for the possibility that I (and presumably others) might understand but still disagree.  

Well, what can I say to that?

Most people here are experts in Intranet scale software systems, as I
was at one time too.  I've since spent about 7 years studying Internet
scale systems, and I now recognize how much harder they are to build
than Intranet scale ones (like, by at least an order of magnitude or
so - I learned CORBA inside-out in about a year, but I'm still learning
about the Web).

You are all here, it seems to me, because you don't see anything on the
Internet which resembles what you know a powerful distributed system to
look like.  There's a good reason for that; the Internet is a very
different place than an Intranet due primarily to one factor; there are
no trust boundaries on an Intranet, but an unbounded number on the
Internet (see Peter Deutsch's Fallacies).  I'm here, as an expert in
Internet scale systems, to say two things;

- "open interfaces" don't work here; never have, never will
- the Web can solve the problems that you're trying to solve

I'm sure everybody here has something to teach me, and indeed I have
learned things from yourself, Eric, about transactions.  I also learned
quite a few things while in the XML Protocol WG from folks like Henrik
Frystyk Nielsen, Noah Mendelsohn, and Stuart Williams (and others).  But
by that same measure, I too have things to teach, and I refuse to
apologize for that.

Thank you.

Mark Baker.   Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA.        http://www.markbaker.ca
Web architecture consulting, technical reports, evaluation & analysis
  Actively seeking contract work or employment
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