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RE: Web services are widely adopted ???

From: Newcomer, Eric <Eric.Newcomer@iona.com>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:02:11 -0400
Message-ID: <DCF6EF589A22A14F93DFB949FD8C4AB20107459B@amereast-ems1.IONAGLOBAL.COM>
To: "Walden Mathews" <waldenm@optonline.net>, <edwink@collaxa.com>, "Baker, Mark" <distobj@acm.org>, "Cutler, Roger (RogerCutler)" <RogerCutler@chevrontexaco.com>
Cc: <www-ws-arch@w3.org>


Yes, certainly, and any efforts in that direction will be well received, I'm sure, as I believe they already have been.  The opposite also needs to be true.  

For example, in your list of questions, it is not a true or false question about which is the better model for distributed applications, stateless or stateful, since it depends on the individual application's requirements.

Can you also propose a list of questions for the REST folks to similarly assist understanding of the opposite view?  That would be doubly helpful.



-----Original Message-----
From: Walden Mathews [mailto:waldenm@optonline.net]
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:09 AM
To: Newcomer, Eric; edwink@collaxa.com; Baker, Mark; Cutler, Roger
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: Re: Web services are widely adopted ???

> I am also not opposed to compromise, but compromise requires each side to
accept the validity of the other's view, and I had not been seeing that
acceptance in many of the emails going back and forth, basically making the
same arguments as have been made for three years, and then stating that the
other side doesn't accept them because of a lack of understanding.  That is
just wrong and completely unhelpful to the WG's goals.


Is there a polite way to assert that many still don't understand
REST very well?  It's too bad there isn't a 100-question quiz
for people to test their understanding, huh.  Personally, I think
my understanding sucks (too little experience), but I can identify
regular problems with this group around the following:

What is an architectural constraint?
Characterize at least two different kinds of application state.
(T or F) The best distributed applications are "stateless".
What is an "engine of application state"?
What is it about hypertext that relates to state engines?
Compare/contrast *idempotent* and *safe*.
What does the Fielding thesis say about idempotent methods?
What's wrong with PUT?
What are the REST "verbs" (trick question)?
(T or F) Adopting resource orientation means rewriting legacy apps.
(T or F) Data encoded in XML are "visible" because XML is a standard.

Need 89 more questions...

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