- From: Doug Bunting <db134722@iplanet.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:49:34 -0700
- To: Hugo Haas <hugo@w3.org>, David Orchard <dorchard@bea.com>, Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
- Cc: Public W/S Arch <www-ws-arch@w3.org>
- Message-id: <3DAF5A9E.28E652DB@iPlanet.com>
Dave, Chris and Hugo, To follow up on my action item from today's meeting, here's a few words. Thanks especially for Hugo's kind IRC inclusion of the correct definition for swizzle though I don't think we need to use it directly. Chris, could you please confirm the presence of the DIME URI features you mentioned on the call? I'm not that familiar with the DIME details. Dave, I left out your mention of a URI to retrieve the content identifier given a resource URI. It seems we can avoid that as we avoid swizzling. Do you agree? Existing text for Comment 1: The motivation for the usage of URIs for identifying secondary parts is incomplete. It seems apparent for performance and other reasons that a part will be a representation of a resource. And packaging will enable higher performance. However, if a part is now part of a package and a NEW uri is created for the part, that means that any references in a soap message ot the resource must change to the NEW uri. Therefore the soap service has to "know" about any and all of the contents of the package. It seems a different approach, of providing the original URI and the new URI for the representation, would provide the ability for software to keep the original URI in the soap message, yet provide identifiers for the representation. Taking a bit more of a detailed look at this. Imagine a soap element refers to http://myserver/Sound.wav. My soap application now uses some soap attachment feature, perhaps DIME. The representation is now identified by mid:someidentifierforSoundwav. I have to change the soap message to use the new URI. It would seem cleaner if the reference stayed the same, and the soap application made some API call along the lines of getReference( Ref ) - where Ref contains the "http://myserver/Sound.wav" - and the API knew that the URI was available in the package. Teasing this a bit further, I guess I have a requirement in mind something along the lines of "Primary SOAP messages parts shall not have to rewrite URIs when they are converted from non-attached SOAP messages". Or another way "SOAP Messages References shall be decoupled from whether the referant are in packages or not". New text: The motivation for the usage of URIs for identifying secondary parts is incomplete. It seems apparent for performance and other reasons that a part will be a representation of a resource. And packaging will enable higher performance. [Probably the correct insert location for a request for additional motivations for choosing either references to an available resource or inclusion in a particular message (deciding factors) from Dave.] In some cases, it seems likely a move from use of a resource on the web to adding a part to the package could result in a need to modify the representation of any reference to that resource. For example, a reference in a SOAP element might be "http://myserver/Sound.wav". My SOAP application now uses some SOAP attachment feature, perhaps MIME. The representation is now identified by cid:someidentifierforSoundwav. I have to change the SOAP message to use the new URI. It would seem cleaner if the reference stayed the same, and the SOAP application did not have to modify these references. To avoid this problem, we recommend specifically calling out the DIME features allowing an included part to be identified using its existing URI. For MIME, the text should discuss the inclusion of a content-location header to server the same purpose. This would allow a recommendation along the lines of "applications SHOULD avoid a need to convert references as parts are added to a SOAP message." Hope this helps, doug
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