RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps

 
Yin Leng, what you point out about D-AG0013 & 14 sounds ok to me.
This sentence captures it much better (congratulations!)
 
Cheers,
-Suresh
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Yin Leng Husband [mailto:Yin-Leng.Husband@compaq.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 2:21 PM
To: Damodaran, Suresh; Yin Leng Husband; www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps


I think the parts on working and liaising with other standards bodies are
covered by D-AG0013 and D-AG0014.
To take Anne's, Sandeep's and Steve's comments into consideration, how
about:
 
"identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability,
 recommend existing standards and technologies where available,
and formation of working groups to formulate new, 
or to standardize existing, specifications or technologies for filling the
gaps".
 
Comments?
 
Regards, 
Yin Leng 

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Damodaran, Suresh [mailto:Suresh_Damodaran@stercomm.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 14 March 2002 3:47 AM
To: 'Yin Leng Husband'; Austin, Daniel; 'David Orchard'; www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
 
Sorry to say, Yin Leng, this sentence doesn't capture all the ideas - 
can't blame you, it is a long and unwieldy list. If we were to breakup
    - identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent
interoperability
    - recommending existing standards and technologies where available 
    - working jointly with another standards organization
    - creating liaisons with other standards committees and organizations 
    - formation of new working groups to standardize new or existing
specifications or technologies
 
Boils down to "do whatever works," doesn't it? Just musing...
 
if it helps,
-Suresh
  
-----Original Message-----
From: Yin Leng Husband [mailto:Yin-Leng.Husband@compaq.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:46 AM
To: Austin, Daniel; Damodaran, Suresh; 'David Orchard'; www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
I have tried to capture the points raised below, into a previous proposal,
in the following 
"identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability;
 identify existing W3C technologies that support interoperability; 
and recommend formation of working groups to formulate new, 
or to standardize existing, specifications or technologies for 
 filling the gaps".
 
Comments?
 
Regards, 
Yin Leng 

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Austin, Daniel [mailto:Austin.D@ic.grainger.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2002 8:47 AM
To: 'Damodaran, Suresh'; 'David Orchard'; www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
 
Hi All,
-----Original Message-----
From: Damodaran, Suresh [mailto:Suresh_Damodaran@stercomm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:55 PM
To: 'David Orchard'; www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
David,
 
Interesting you say that "if we find an existing spec that fits our bill,
we're going to have to charter up a WG to deal with it" 
Is this the way W3C has always done business?
[Austin, Daniel] 
 
I think W3C has tried to minimize the number of new standards under
discussion at any one time. There is only so much bandwidth and resources
available.
 
While, I am inclined to think we can/should keep this option open, I can
think of other approaches as well.
- working jointly with another standards organization (e.g., IETF)
- creating liaisons with other standards committees and organizations (I
don't know of any example from W3C
off hand, somebody in the list may) so that the other standards organization
would coordinate their work with W3C
[Austin, Daniel] 
 
Examples would be the W3C-WAP Forum co-ordination group and the Voice
Browser-VXML Forum co-ordination group.
 
as for conformance, etc.
[Austin, Daniel] 
 
We should define what conformance means and let other groups e.g. WS-I
develop the testing technology and do the verification.  
 
I tried to create a sentence that captures all this as a goal statement, but
I couldn't (apologies)
 
Cheers,
-Suresh 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Orchard [mailto:david.orchard@bea.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:59 PM
To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
I was wondering how this would come up...
 
What does it mean for the WG to recommend existing standards?  Would a W3C
Note (which isn't a standard) count?  
 
What if some tweaking of the spec is required for standardization, say
converting soap-sec into ws-sec and changing the namespace name?  Is the WSA
group going to do the nuts and bolts dirty work on re-using existing stuff -
like writing conformance test suites, publication schedules, conversion to
xmlspec dtd etc.?  There's a fair bit of work just doing errata.  I would
think we don't want to burden the WSA with this.  
 
I think that even if we find an existing spec that fits our bill, we're
going to have to charter up a WG to deal with it.  
 
How about "Identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent
interoperability to formulate standards-based remedies;  formation of new
working groups to standardize new or existing specifications or
technologies." ?
 
Cheers,
Dave
 
-----Original Message-----
From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Yin Leng Husband
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:08 PM
To: Prasad Yendluri; Yin Leng Husband
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
This is a good point.  In fact, the charter says
"The Working Group should also identify what existing W3C technologies
already address functions required by the architecture identified."
I wanted to avoid a discussion over *whose* existing standards and
technologies at this point of high-level requirements
identification.  Therefore I took the path that in order to identify gaps,
existing technologies would be flushed out during the process.
 
Regards, 
Yin Leng 
  
  
-----Original Message-----
From: Prasad Yendluri [mailto:pyendluri@webmethods.com] 
Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 11:33 AM
To: Yin Leng Husband
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: Re: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps
This is good point. However I think we should recommend existing standards
wherever available to avoid re-inventing. How about something on the lines: 
"Identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability to
formulate standards-based remedies;  recommending existing standards and
technologies where available and formation of new working groups where none
available." 
Regards, Prasad 
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From: 
Yin Leng Husband <Yin-Leng.Husband@compaq.com>

To: 
www-ws-arch@w3.org
 I've taken an action item to drive DAG0016- Technology Gaps requirement
discussion. 
  The current proposed wording is 
 "DAG0016 
 [The Working Group will also act to] identify current gaps in architectural
interoperability and recommend standards-based remedies". 
  As this architecture group is clearly chartered not to design the gap
technologies itself, I would like to suggest changing to"identify
architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability; and
recommend formation of new working groups to formulate standards-based
remedies". 
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Yin Leng