RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps

David,
 
Interesting you say that "if we find an existing spec that fits our bill,
we're going to have to charter up a WG to deal with it" 
Is this the way W3C has always done business?
While, I am inclined to think we can/should keep this option open, I can
think of other approaches as well.
- working jointly with another standards organization (e.g., IETF)
- creating liaisons with other standards committees and organizations (I
don't know of any example from W3C
off hand, somebody in the list may) so that the other standards organization
would coordinate their work with W3C
as for conformance, etc.
 
I tried to create a sentence that captures all this as a goal statement, but
I couldn't (apologies)
 
Cheers,
-Suresh 
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Orchard [mailto:david.orchard@bea.com]
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:59 PM
To: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps


I was wondering how this would come up...
 
What does it mean for the WG to recommend existing standards?  Would a W3C
Note (which isn't a standard) count?  
 
What if some tweaking of the spec is required for standardization, say
converting soap-sec into ws-sec and changing the namespace name?  Is the WSA
group going to do the nuts and bolts dirty work on re-using existing stuff -
like writing conformance test suites, publication schedules, conversion to
xmlspec dtd etc.?  There's a fair bit of work just doing errata.  I would
think we don't want to burden the WSA with this.  
 
I think that even if we find an existing spec that fits our bill, we're
going to have to charter up a WG to deal with it.  
 
How about "Identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent
interoperability to formulate standards-based remedies;  formation of new
working groups to standardize new or existing specifications or
technologies." ?
 
Cheers,
Dave
 

-----Original Message-----
From: www-ws-arch-request@w3.org [mailto:www-ws-arch-request@w3.org]On
Behalf Of Yin Leng Husband
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 6:08 PM
To: Prasad Yendluri; Yin Leng Husband
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: RE: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps


This is a good point.  In fact, the charter says
"The Working Group should also identify what existing W3C technologies
already address functions required by the architecture identified."
I wanted to avoid a discussion over *whose* existing standards and
technologies at this point of high-level requirements
identification.  Therefore I took the path that in order to identify gaps,
existing technologies would be flushed out during the process.
 

Regards, 
Yin Leng 

  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: Prasad Yendluri [mailto:pyendluri@webmethods.com] 
Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 11:33 AM
To: Yin Leng Husband
Cc: www-ws-arch@w3.org
Subject: Re: D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps


This is good point. However I think we should recommend existing standards
wherever available to avoid re-inventing. How about something on the lines: 

"Identify architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability to
formulate standards-based remedies;  recommending existing standards and
technologies where available and formation of new working groups where none
available." 


Regards, Prasad 


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Subject: 	 D-AG0016 - Technology Gaps	
Resent-Date: 	 Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:14:38 -0500 (EST)	
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Date: 	 Fri, 8 Mar 2002 11:22:11 +1000	
From: 	 Yin Leng Husband <Yin-Leng.Husband@compaq.com>	
To: 	 www-ws-arch@w3.org	

 I've taken an action item to drive DAG0016- Technology Gaps requirement
discussion. 
  The current proposed wording is 
 "DAG0016 
 [The Working Group will also act to] identify current gaps in architectural
interoperability and recommend standards-based remedies". 


  As this architecture group is clearly chartered not to design the gap
technologies itself, I would like to suggest changing to"identify
architectural and technology gaps that prevent interoperability; and
recommend formation of new working groups to formulate standards-based
remedies". 


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Yin Leng