- From: pat hayes <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
- Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:35:04 -0500
- To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
- Cc: www-webont-wg@w3.org
>From: pat hayes <phayes@ai.uwf.edu> >Subject: Re: possible semantic bugs concerning domain and range >Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:04:24 -0500 > >> >> ...... >> >> >As far as OWL is concerned, >> > >> > foo rdfs:range bar . >> > >> >should follow from >> > >> > foo rdfs:range baz . >> > baz rdfs:subClassOf bar . >> > >> >This would fit in with the general OWL stance on these sorts of things. >> >> Come on, I need more than that. What 'general OWL stance' ?? > >The general OWL stance is that if some conclusion is true, such as, in this >case, all the possible object of foo belong to baz, then that should be >inferrable. I presume you meant belonging to bar. But *that* already follows: if foo rdfs:range baz then the object of foo belongs to baz (by the current RDFS range semantics) and hence it belongs to bar (by the current - when fixed - subClassOf semantics). Of course all the things in baz are also in bar; but the range assertion means more than that: it is supposed to be usable to *restrict* the range. If range is preserved under subClass, then its impossible to restrict a range, no matter how much you say about it: every property has the universe as (one of) its range(s). One of the primary uses of range assertions is to detect ill-formed uses of properties, and this is impossible if ranges are upward expandable under subClassOf. Suppose that I have two properties foo and fee, and I want to say that the ranges of foo and fee are disjoint. That seems like a coherent thing to say, but that's inconsistent, in your semantics. > >> Does OWL >> differ so much from DAML+OIL that conjunctive information about >> property ranges and domains is now considered illegal? > >No, of course not. There is nothing in OWL that causes > > foo rdfs:range bar . > foo rdfs:range zyx . > >to cause a problem. Not a problem, but what is the point of asserting this? You already know that the range of foo is owl:Thing in any case, with your semantics. >All that happens here is that you can infer > > foo rdfs:range _:z . > _:x owl:intersectionOf [bar xyz] . You can do that without breaking the rdfs:range semantics. In fact it already follows. RDFS semantics for rdfs:range means that with those assumptions, I(foo) must be in both of ICEXT(I(bar)) and ICEXT(I(zyx)), so the OWL/RDF weak semantics means that their intersection exists (assuming they are OWL classes, of course) and that I(foo) is in it. On your semantics, it also follows that foo rdfs:range _:z . _:z owl:unionOf [bar xyz myuncletomcobbelyandall ] which strikes me as crazy. > > >> And what does >> one *gain* by making this change, in any case? > >Precisely inferences like the one above. You already got them. You don't have Jeremy's entailment because it is wrong. > >> Jeremy's entailment >> goes through, if properly expressed, with the current semantics for >> domain and range. > >Jeremy's entailment > > 1:[[ > > eg:prop rdfs:range eg:A . > eg:A rdfs:subClassOf eg:B . > > entails > > eg:prop rdfs:range eg:B . > ]] > >is not a consequence in RDFS. I know, but if you read Jeremy's English explanation of what he means, you will see that this is not in fact a proper expression of it in RDFS. The one that is, is a valid inference: eg:prop rdfs:range eg:A . eg:A rdfs:subClassOf eg:B . entails eg:prop rdfs:range _:x . _:x rdfs:subClassOf eg:B . which is the more exact rendering of Jeremy's conclusion. The point being that just being in a set doesnt mean that the *range* you are in must be that set, only that it is a subset of it. Ranges are a particular category of sets: not every set has to be a range. > >> The above entailment strikes me as completely wrong, both formally >> and intuitively. For example, all properties, on this view, have the >> universe as their range. It basically makes range assertions into >> un-assertions: their only utility would be enable one to guess (not >> infer) from the lack of a range assertion that something probably > > wasn't in the range. > >Not at all. Giving rdfs:range an iff condition is both formally viable and >intuitively defensible. Well, we can argue intuitions at length, but I don't think it is formally viable. It breaks major portions of the RDFS datatyping machinery and makes OWL seriously inconsistent with RDF, RDFS and DAML, and as far as I can see for no good reason. Has this decision been taken while I wasn't looking? If so, I want to formally re-open it. If not, I want to argue strongly against it. Pat -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- IHMC (850)434 8903 home 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office Pensacola, FL 32501 (850)202 4440 fax phayes@ai.uwf.edu http://www.coginst.uwf.edu/~phayes
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