- From: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 11:13:22 -0400
- To: www-webont-wg@w3.org
Pat,
I've thought of a number of sarcastic remarks to make in response to your
message below, but I'll keep this brief:
Your comments about mixing "logic" and "sets" and "databases" etc. are
misleading. The problems we are encountering are the result of trying to
map the "warped" description logic paradigm into the "warped" RDF
paradigm. That's all. From some neutral perspective, one is not more
warped than the other, and there is simply no unversial conception of
"truth", especially not Tarski's, by which you can claim that one has the
higher ground.
-Chris
pat hayes <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
Sent by: www-webont-wg-request@w3.org
09/06/2002 03:25 AM
To: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
cc: www-webont-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: SEM: "natural" entailments
>
>I don't see any a priori reason why set theoretic truths have any
>greater need to be included in Owl than arithmetic truths.
> Both set thery and arithmetic are really somebody else's concern.
>
>
>Jeremy
One of the things that is so misleading about the entire
description-logic way of thinking is that it treats some *logical*
truths as set-theoretical truths. Look, to infer
John is a student and John is an employee .
from
John is a student.
John is an employee .
is a *logical* matter. It has to do with the meaning of 'and'. It has
nothing to do with sets or classes or any of this paraphanalia. But
in the warped world of description logics, to assert a simple
conjunction requires us to invent a conjunctive class (an
intersection) and say that John is in it. The reason for this
intellectual warping goes back to an influential, but I think
perverse, publication by Ron Brachman about 20 years ago, which
invented the distinction between two 'kinds' of reasoning: that to do
with meanings, which is supposed to be done in one place (the
'A-box') and the other to do with facts, supposed to be done
elsewhere (the 'T-box'). The same kind of distinction is sometimes
expressed by the distinction between 'data' (mere facts, assertions
which are true) and 'meta-data' (schemas; things that 'define the
meanings' of the terms used in the facts.) None of these
distinctions make any logical sense or have even the slightest basis
in semantics: they are pragmatic distinctions invented to facilitate
effective use of database technology with simple reasoners. By using
them as the basis for the *semantic* framework of the semantic web we
are making the entire future of the Web hostage to the intellectual
apparatus of a technology designed for the efficient use of
regularized, commercial databases, not to the emergent world of a
social semantic web. We should be focussing on the issues that will
matter, not on how to transfer old technology into a world where it
is probably going to be largely irrelevant.
Pat
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