- From: Deborah McGuinness <dlm@KSL.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 09:41:49 -0700
- To: Ian Horrocks <horrocks@cs.man.ac.uk>
- CC: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>, webont <www-webont-wg@w3.org>
Ian Horrocks wrote: > On August 23, Deborah McGuinness writes: > > > > Who owns the write permission on the log file? > > can i as scribe ask for the line i typed > > "flipped a coin and picked manchester" > > and be replaced by the line jim typed > > ""consider it as if we flipped a coin and picked Manchester" > > > > on jim's point below on appearing to choose boston, i think people were > > objecting to the fact that boston as a suggested (and very likely) fwf6 > > location was being taken into consideration after the online poll and it > > appeared to influence the choice of manchester. > > Deb, > > The WG agreed to let the chairs decide about f2f5. The factors that > may or may not have influenced the chairs' decision are not relevant. > > > at least this was one of my reasons for dissatisfaction with the process and > > one thing I had not anticipated when during the previous telecon, there was > > a suggestion to let the chairs make the decision. sorry - i should have been clearer when i stated a suggestion was made. When the suggestion was made, i would have not remained silent if i had thought things not covered in the online poll would be taken into consideration that would possibly make a big difference over what I thought was the feeling - that ny won online and that there was a split (8-7) in the quick straw poll in the call. Because I and others remained silent and thus no one protested the suggestion, that led to the decision that was made. when i mentioned suggestion in my email above, i was referring to the time that it was a suggestion and to the time that I should have thought more carefully before allowing it to be a decision without voicing my concerns and thus allowing it to move to a decision. I will not do that again. > There wasn't a "suggestion", there was a *decision*. Reading from the > log: > > 16:13:27 [jhendler] > ACTION: group being split between NY and Manchester in > preference, chairs will determine and inform group. > > This is exactly what has happened. > > Ian > > > > > Jim Hendler wrote: > > > > > > > > > >chairs were to decide f2f5 location > > > >16:17:18 [dlm] > > > >3 points: > > > >16:17:26 [dlm] > > > >1 - even distribution between europe and us > > > >16:17:40 [dlm] > > > >2 colocation with plenary in march in boston is desirable > > > >16:18:00 [dlm] > > > >3 many things may be needed to get things inplace for discussion > > > >16:18:36 [dlm] > > > >two meetings in a row in england > > > >16:19:01 [dlm] > > > >are now proposed > > > >16:19:17 [Zakim] > > > >+??P3 > > > >16:19:51 [dlm] > > > >stein points to center of mass for participants and suggests that the > > > >split between europe and us evenly does not meet the center of mass > > > >16:20:20 [dlm] > > > >eastern us is closer to center of mass for participants > > > >16:21:00 [dlm] > > > >maintaining 3 in us and 3 in europe seems an arbitrary decision > > > >16:22:09 [dlm] > > > >manchester has an access grid room > > > >16:22:47 [dlm] > > > >one choice point is 2 meetings in england now or two meetings in the us > > > >in 2003 > > > >16:24:18 [dlm] > > > >decision wasabout f2f 5 > > > >16:24:41 [dlm] > > > >flipped a coin and picked manchester > > > > > > That last line is taken out of context and I protest it! What I > > > said, after several people objected that Guus and I appeared to be > > > making a f2f6 decision for Boston (which we didn't - we just > > > suggested it), was "so forget the Boston part and consider it as if > > > we flipped a coin and picked Manchester" > > > > > > By the way, I am quite surprised by the flap today over location. At > > > the last telecon we resolved: > > > > > > >16:13:27 [jhendler] > > > >ACTION: group being split between NY and Manchester in preference, > > > >chairs will determine and inform group. > > > > > > which was requested of me and Guus after we both made it clear we'd > > > rather the group picked. However, since there was a virtual split > > > decision to a straw poll, we were delegated the responsibility. Next > > > time if you don't want us to make a decision, please don't ask us to > > > do so. > > > > agreed - in hindsight if i were the chairs I would not take this position > > again > > and as a person on the call if I could, > > I would take back my silence on the proposal to leave it up to the chairs > > and ask for a vote (not a straw poll) for group decision where the > > considerations were made explicit. > > > > > > > > -JH > > > > > > -- > > > Professor James Hendler hendler@cs.umd.edu > > > Director, Semantic Web and Agent Technologies 301-405-2696 > > > Maryland Information and Network Dynamics Lab. 301-405-6707 (Fax) > > > Univ of Maryland, College Park, MD 20742 240-731-3822 (Cell) > > > http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler > > > > -- > > Deborah L. McGuinness > > Knowledge Systems Laboratory > > Gates Computer Science Building, 2A Room 241 > > Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-9020 > > email: dlm@ksl.stanford.edu > > URL: http://ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm > > (voice) 650 723 9770 (stanford fax) 650 725 5850 (computer fax) 801 > > 705 0941 > > -- Deborah L. McGuinness Knowledge Systems Laboratory Gates Computer Science Building, 2A Room 241 Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-9020 email: dlm@ksl.stanford.edu URL: http://ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm (voice) 650 723 9770 (stanford fax) 650 725 5850 (computer fax) 801 705 0941
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