- From: MattO <matto@tellme.com>
- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 08:32:42 -0800
- To: 'Tobias Göbel' <tgoebel@voiceobjects.com>
- Cc: <www-voice@w3.org>
Hi, Tobias, Thanks for your prompt (pun) response and your understanding. I'm forwarding your response to the VBWG public archive so that the group has a record of your disposition on this issue. Best regards, Matt -----Original Message----- From: Tobias Göbel [mailto:tgoebel@voiceobjects.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 2:03 AM To: MattO Subject: AW: VBWG official response to last call issue ("Interpretation of <mark> in VXML 2.1") Dear Matt, thanks for your response. I understand the motivation behind marktime and I'm satisfied with the workaround you described. But since it is only really a workaround, I'd be happy to see some better support for this feature in future versions of VoiceXML. Things like these will certainly help in improving the VUI of an application. Thank you and best regards Tobias Göbel Program Manager VoiceObjects AG - simplifying voice technologies - Friedrich-Ebert-Strasse D 51429 Bergisch Gladbach Fon: +49 (0)2204 / 845-159 Fax: +49 (0)2204 / 845-110 Mobil: +49 (0)173 / 5330917 Email: tgoebel@VoiceObjects.com <mailto:tgoebel@VoiceObjects.com> Web: http://www.VoiceObjects.com -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: MattO [mailto:matto@tellme.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. Februar 2005 01:54 An: Tobias Göbel Cc: www-voice@w3.org Betreff: VBWG official response to last call issue ("Interpretation of <mark> in VXML 2.1") Dear Tobias, The Voice Browser Working Group (VBWG) has almost finished resolving the issues raised during the last call review of the 28 July 2004 VoiceXML 2.1 [1]. Our apologies that it has taken so long to respond. Please indicate before February 14th, 2005 if you are satisfied with the VBWG's resolutions, if you think there has been a misunderstanding, or if you wish to register an objection. If you will be unable to respond before February 14th, please let me know. The Director will appreciate a response whether or not you agree with the resolutions. Below you will find: 1) More information follows about the process we are following. 2) A summary of the VBWG's response to your issues. Thank you, Matt Oshry Chief Editor, VoiceXML 2.1 ----------------------------------------------- 1) Process requirement to address last call issues ----------------------------------------------- Per section 7.2 [2] of the 5th February 2004 Process Document, in order for the VoiceXML 2.1 specification to advance to the next state (Candidate Recommendation), the Working Group must "Formally address all issues raised about the document since the previous step." Section 3.3.3 of the Process Document [3] sets expectations about what constitutes a formal response: "In the context of this document, a group has formally addressed an issue when it has sent a substantive response to the reviewer who raised the issue. A substantive response is expected to include rationale for decisions (e.g., a technical explanation, a pointer to charter scope, or a pointer to a requirements document). The adequacy of a response is measured against what a W3C reviewer would generally consider to be technically sound. If a group believes that a reviewer's comments result from a misunderstanding, the group SHOULD seek clarification before reaching a decision." If you feel that the response is based on a misunderstanding of the original issue, you are encouraged to restate and clarify the issue until there is agreement about the issue, so that the Working Group may prepare its substantive response. If the response shows understanding of the original issue but does not satisfy the reviewer, you may register a formal objection with the Working Group that will be carried forward with the relevant deliverables. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-voicexml21-20040728/ [2] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/tr.html#transition-reqs [3] http://www.w3.org/2004/02/Process-20040205/policies.html#formal-address ----------------------------------------------- 2) Issues you raised and responses ----------------------------------------------- In http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-voice/2004JulSep/0046.html you raised the following issue which was registered as change request R103 Our response is given inline: Dear VBWG and VoiceXML community, having studied the WD for VXML 2.1 a bit, I came across a problem concerning the new <mark> element support. As for the attribute "marktime", the spec says: "The number of milliseconds that elapsed since the last mark was executed by the SSML processor until barge-in occurred or the end of audio playback occurred. If no mark was executed, this variable is undefined." Does this mean that if the caller does no barge-in, marktime is the same as the duration of the prompt itself ("...until the end of audio playback occurred")? I wonder why, since this would not allow to check how long it took the caller to react to a prompt. What I want, e.g. in order to be able to draw conclusions from reaction times to caller status (first caller, power user etc.), is to know the time that elapsed since the end of the last prompt (until "timeout" elapses or caller says something). This could be achieved either by not stopping the timer after the end of audio playback, or by allowing to set an additional marker at the very end of a prompt and check markname and marktime of *this* marker later on (e.g. in the <filled> section). If the latter IS possible, you might want to adapt the spec slightly, pointing to this possibility. Thanks a lot, and best regards VBWG Response: Deferred The driving motivation behind the marktime property is to reflect when the user barges in on a prompt. As implied by the VoiceXML 2.1 specification which is quoted above, if the caller does not barge-in and the only mark is at the beginning of the prompt queue, then the marktime reflects the duration of the prompt. Although no feature in VoiceXML 2.0 or VoiceXML 2.1 allows you to obtain the reaction time of the caller with a positive timeout, you can achieve this by setting the timeout property to zero seconds and by adding to the end of the prompt queue a silent audio file (e.g. silence.wav) the duration of which is equivalent to the desired timeout. The working group has opted to defer your feature request to a future version of VoiceXML.
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