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Re: A New WWWVL: CE, the WWWVL icon, etc.

From: Arthur Secret <secret@hpwww.cern.ch>
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 13:58:56 MET
Message-Id: <9403031259.AA23589@dxmint.cern.ch>
To: waterbug@epims1.gsfc.nasa.gov
Cc: www-vlib@www0.cern.ch

:> Please add Dale Kirmse (kirmse@che.ufl.edu) to the list -- he is the 
:> new administrator for the WWWVL: Chemical Engineering.  
Thanks, done

:> [You wrote:]
:> > We finally manage to create an icon for the WWW Virtual Library,
:> > to make it as nice as possible:
:> > <IMG SRC="http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/Icons/WWW/Virtual_Library.gif">

Please add the tag ALT in my previous line,

For example,

<IMG ALT="Virtual Library"

This will allow browsers without graphical capabilities
to still display something instead of the image

:> > 
:> > I think it would be nice to add it to the top of our documents,
:> > and to make it an anchor pointing to the top of the Virtual Library.
:> I did manage to connect to the CERN server last weekend and download 
:> the icon.  I have added it to the top of the WWWVL: Engineering page.  
:> > Would it be possible then to mirror the icon every night or week, so
:> > that if it ever changes, your server will have automatically the newest 
:> > version ?
:> Yes, I will do that.  Do you know of a prescribed way of automating 
:> that mirroring?  Just refer me to an applicable www-talk message, if 
:> there is one.  I have saved them all, but read only perhaps 30-40% !

Two ways:

1/ With the line-mode browser
"www -source http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/Icons/WWW/Virtual_Library.gif"

will give you the content of this file.
Apparently, you get some blurbs in the first lines, but this
will no longer be with the next version, to be released sometimes
this week

2/ There is a link to the icon file in
/pub/www/vlib , thus available by anonymous ftp to info.cern.ch

Mirroring may be an appropriate solution for the moment,
because info.cern.ch is very loaded, but in theory this won't
accelerate the loading of the picture for the user, because
we have excellent cables at CERN . So I think such mirroring
should only be done as an emergency, if you do have trouble
accessing info.cern.ch .

:> I first included the image in a link to the top of the WWWVL, as you 
:> suggested, but the image didn't look nearly as nice with the border 
:> that it gets when you make it a link (IMHO).  So I compromised by 
:> keeping it in the top line but not including it in the link.  
:> Please have a look and tell me what you think.  Perhaps this is 
:> a good first issue for www-vlib discussion (somewhat trivial, but the 
:> trivial things always get the most attention initially!).  
:> I am also thinking we may want to agree on a general format for our 
:> WWWVL pages.  I guess I would favor uniformity and absence of images 
:> (aside from your nice icon!) in the interest of familiarity to users 
:> and good performance.  Creative freedom can be expressed on our 
:> organization home pages, etc.!  

I have summarized what my boss,
Tim Berners-Lee, would ideally see as a general format for our
WWWVL pages. Its URL is

but there are no links to it yet, as I am prepared to modify it
according to your suggestions

I think it may help people to have a full list of the maintainers
to be able to send the updates more easily.
The current list, not yet released, is at 

Any comments ?

:> > On info.cern.ch, we are indeed running anonymous ftp, anonymous telnet,
:> > a gopher server dedicated to the presentation of WWW, and a WWW server :-)
:> > But info.cern.ch is running Solaris 2.3 which causes us a lot 
:> > of troubles and increases our response time

And I forgot to mention this machine maintains two big mailing lists,
www-talk and www-announce, an old WWW mail server ... ;-)
:> I am also running Solaris 2.3, on a SPARCstation Lx.  Incidentally, do 
:> you have any problem with response time in getting my pages?  Just 
:> curious.  
No. Our main problems come from a cache table of IP addresses too small
and apparently reinitialized all at once, and from sockets which won't
close and wait until we run out of sockets.

       Arthur Secret,       phone:(41-22) 767-37-55     
Technical Student at CERN,   e-mail: secret@dxcern.cern.ch

:> Please add Dale Kirmse (kirmse@che.ufl.edu) to the list -- h
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