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RE: Character set question

From: Thanasis Kinias <tkinias@asu.edu>
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:50:05 -0700
To: "'Liam Quinn'" <liam@htmlhelp.com>
Cc: www-validator@w3.org, "'Bertilo Wennergren'" <bertilow@hem.passagen.se>
Message-id: <A021872EC2BDD411AB3600902746A055016047B5@mainex4.asu.edu>
Liam Quinn wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> > The default
> > charset is UTF-8, which is identical to ISO Latin-1 (ISO 8859-1).

> There is no default charset for HTML, and UTF-8 is not identical to
> ISO-8859-1.  UTF-8 and ISO-8859-1 are only identical for the 7-bit
> (US-ASCII) characters.

From the HTML 4.01 recommendation

> The HTTP protocol ([RFC2616], section 3.7.1) mentions ISO-8859-1 as a
> character encoding when the "charset" parameter is absent from the
> "Content-Type" header field. In practice, this recommendation has proved
> useless because some servers don't allow a "charset" parameter to be sent,
> others may not be configured to send the parameter. Therefore, user agents
> not assume any default value for the "charset" parameter.

I guess the latter half of this means you really ought to specify the
charset for HTML.  I've been working with XHTML so I forgot HTML was

I should have been more clear about saying UTF-8 = ISO Latin-1; I meant for
the lower-128.  Of course, you are correct; they are not identical above

> The charset declaration is required for HTML documents, regardless of
> whether you use entities.

If the server properly sends the charset parameter, the <meta> declaration
of charset is redundant.  From HTML 4.01:

> To address server or configuration limitations, HTML documents _may_
> explicit information about the document's character encoding; the META 
> element can be used to provide user agents with this information.
[emphasis added]

If one is only using ASCII characters and the server is sending a charset
value in the header Content-Type field (whether it's sending UTF-8, Latin-1,
or Windows 1252), all is OK vis-à-vis the standards - unless I'm really
misunderstanding "may" in the recommendation.

At any rate, there isn't a compelling reason _not_ to specify with a <meta>.
And, of course, Bertilo is correct about ISO 8859-1 being preferable to a
proprietary standard.

Liam also wrote (in response to Bertilo):

> But it will cause links containing "#" to fail in IE4 for Windows.  So
> ISO-8859-1 is still preferred when you don't need characters outside
> ISO-8859-1.

That's _bizarre_, but I guess not altogether surprising.  That answers the
question I guess.  Is that also a problem with XHTML docs with implicit
(default) UTF-8 encoding?

On this subject, must one then specify a charset with XHTML docs served as
text/html, even if it is the default UTF-8?

Thanasis Kinias
Information Dissemination Team, Information Technology
Arizona State University
Tempe, Ariz., U.S.A.

Qui nos rodunt confundantur
et cum iustis non scribantur.
Received on Wednesday, 7 March 2001 16:01:50 UTC

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