- From: Kynn Bartlett <kynn@idyllmtn.com>
- Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:38:42 -0700
- To: Uriel Wittenberg <uw@urielw.com>
- Cc: W3C Validator <www-validator@w3.org>, Ann Navarro <ann@webgeek.com>
Sir, your public personal attacks are inappropriate and inaccurate, and I demand a formal apology. I care not what personal problems you may have with CIWAH users (I've never even read that newsgroup regularly), but your outright slander and lies are not tolerable. --Kynn Bartlett At 11:59 PM 10/08/1999 -0400, Uriel Wittenberg wrote: >Ann Navarro wrote: > >> At 01:33 PM 10/8/99 -0400, Uriel Wittenberg wrote: >> >Your question is awkward, because the correct answer involves >> contradicting the >> >angry Kynn. >> >> Nothing in Kynn's responses qualify as "angry" Uriel, perhaps a little >> projection is occuring here? >> >> Someone can disagree with you, and argue against your position without >> being "angry". It's not the fault of the person arguing if you project that >> into anger. >> >> Ann >> >> --- >> >> Author of: Effective Web Design: Master the Essentials >> 10/99 - Mastering XML, 12/99 - HTML By Example, 2nd. Ed. >> >> Founder, WebGeek Communications http://www.webgeek.com >> Vice President-Finance, HTML Writers Guild http://www.hwg.org >> Director, HWG Online Education http://www.hwg.org/services/classes > >It may be news to members of this mailing list, but the dissembling style >exemplified by the Kynn/Ann duet is standard fare on the >comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html (CIWAH) newsgroup. The routine has one of the >CIWAH urchins unleashing a wholly unreasonable attack on an unsuspecting visitor >posing an innocent query. If the visitor protests, he is then swarmed by a whole >bevy of thugs -- the regulars. > >A few of these characters are aptly described at >http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2760/ciwah.html ("CIWAH - The Internet's >Freak Show"). I have studied that webpage assiduously and can vouch for its total >accuracy. > >Despite her wide-eyed denial, Ann is of course fully aware of Kynn's churlishness, >which has been repeatedly displayed in the last few days. (Even if she's not on >the list, it's in the list archives for anyone to see.) But being a practiced >liar, she slyly speaks of "projection" on my part, and she assumes an >ultra-reasonable tone as she insinuates for the benefit of third parties (who >typically haven't paid much attention to the discussion) that I lose control when >people disagree with me. > >Is it even worth speculating on the Kynn/Ann relationship? They may simply be >gangster chums, sharing malicious joy as they coordinate newsgroup ambushes. Or >perhaps there's a business tie: he pushes her book, she pushes his consulting >service, each concocts phony job references for the other. Perhaps they conjoin in >some symbiotic manner to jointly nurse their unfathomable complexes. Conceivably >they have formed a hair-raising physical intimacy that one could not begin to >describe in a family mailing list such as this. > >Whatever goes on behind their closed doors, the hypocrisy is on record in the >archives for any psychiatrist, or perhaps anthropologist, to analyze. Students of >the boor type will note the presence of concomitant traits: the thin skin, the >inability to acknowledge error, the tendency to hysteria. > >This is my first off-topic message here, and I intend to resist the further >provocations that are likely to ensue. But please observe that the CIWAH problem >highlighted here is far from irrelevant to W3C and others concerned about >standards. The W3C site directs visitors to CIWAH for HTML advice. Standardization >does not benefit when people seeking help with compliance are handed over to that >band of misfits. > >What's needed is a moderated discussion group that the world can turn to for HTML >advice. Moderation does not have to involve a lot of effort. I have some specific >ideas on fair ways to institute this, and I'd be prepared to discuss helping W3C >set it up if they're interested. > > >-- >http://www.urielw.com/ > > > > -- Kynn Bartlett <kynn@idyllmtn.com> http://www.kynn.com/ Chief Technologist, Idyll Mountain Internet http://www.idyllmtn.com/ Catch the web accessibility meme! http://aware.hwg.org/
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