- From: Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com>
- Date: 22 May 2002 15:57:38 -0400
- To: Aaron Swartz <me@aaronsw.com>
- Cc: www-rdf-interest@w3.org, www-talk@w3.org, Tim Berners-Lee <timbl@w3.org>
I doubt Aaron's posting pleases people who are happy to work within the W3C infrastructure, but it's not exactly a revolutionary proposal to those of us who have long worried about the uneasy balance between the W3C's role as keeper of the Web and its role as a vendor consortium. Calls for reform or any notion of accountability beyond its membership have largely gone unheeded, and even the promise of the TAG appears to be undermined on a regular basis by insistence that the membership has final say in the doings of the W3C. Even as I say that, I wonder if perhaps there's some middle ground worth exploring. The concrete projects you suggest - and many of the projects recently discussed on xml-dev - are projects which would benefit from synergy with the W3C but are clearly not the W3C membership's core agenda. W3C specs are at the heart of a lot of work we'd like to see done, but the W3C doesn't seem interested in those projects as an institution. Perhaps some degree of separation from the W3C would be useful, and perhaps some recognition on the part of the W3C that their approaches don't work for everyone would also be helpful. Finding some means whereby developers with interest can create specs in the open, and then have the W3C consider them seriously seems like a better approach than having the W3C focus exclusively on what its membership and working groups are doing. (Yes, they notice IETF work sometimes, and yes, we did manage to get DDML submitted as a note. This does not qualify as a general policy of openness.) I've suggested a few times that a lightweight infrastructure for developing and posting specifications might be a useful addition to the xml-dev mailing list, but Aaron's suggestions make it clear that XML is just one aspect of a much wider set of needs. Something IETF-like might be interesting, and it might even make sense to talk with the IETF. (I think they have some kind of agreement with the W3C, or at least an understanding of turf, however.) Aaron's definitely not the only person who's frustrated. On Wed, 2002-05-22 at 12:07, Aaron Swartz wrote: > I'm fed up. > > The W3C has been taken over by corporations with only selfish interests > at heart. The Web services people swallow resources for an goal > antithetical to Web Architecture. The XML people shoehorn data into a > format meant for documents and reinvent several wheels doing so. The RDF > people are afraid to do anything worthwhile with the power of their > technology and instead worry for no good reason about > backwards-compatibility. And the W3T sits quietly, afraid to do anything > to remedy the situation. > > I'm not going to take it anymore. > > W3C-style standards bodies clearly aren't working anymore. Perhaps they > made sense in the old days of the browser wars, but we're no longer > getting innovation from Working Groups who have so many members that > they have to form subgroups to decide what they're going to do about > deciding what they're going to do. -- Simon St.Laurent Ring around the content, a pocket full of brackets Errors, errors, all fall down! http://simonstl.com
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