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RE: Thoughtful piece on the costs of the siloing of social media

From: Markus Lanthaler <markus.lanthaler@gmx.net>
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:32:42 +0100
To: "'Mark Nottingham'" <mnot@mnot.net>, "'Melvin Carvalho'" <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Henry S. Thompson'" <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>, "'TAG List'" <www-tag@w3.org>
Message-ID: <022201d14aea$9a668df0$cf33a9d0$@gmx.net>
On 8 Jan 2016 at 04:09, Mark Nottingham wrote:
> [ I remember seeing that article somewhere other than the Guardian quite a
few months ago,
> but forget where; anyone? ]

Probably here: http://bit.ly/1SGoVTq

> Personally, I'm very interested, but the Web as currently designed and
implemented heavily
> encourages centralisation, and changing it is likely harder than just
starting something new.
> Some related thoughts here:
>   https://www.mnot.net/blog/2015/08/18/distributed_http
> Cheers,
>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 11:55 am, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>> On 5 January 2016 at 20:51, Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/dec/29/irans-blogfather-faceb
>> ook- instagram-and-twitter-are-killing-the-web
>> This is a really interesting piece, thanks for sharing.
>> The web does seem to have become more centralized in the last few
>> years.  I dont know how much of this is architectural, and how much
>> behavioral.
>> The architectural foundations of the web as a cross origin document (and
data) space, are
> I think, quite strong, leading to a good degree of decentralization.  I
dont know why the
> web may be becoming more centralized, I once heard someone say "no matter
> decentralized you design a system, centralization creeps in through the
back door".
>> My personal preference would be to see a healthy centralized and healthy
> element of the web competing with each other and offering greater user
choice.  But we
> dont seem to live in that world, right now, at least.
>> One factor, imho, is that there are probably orders of magnitude more
people working on
> centralized solutions, than on decentralized.  Also decentralized
solutions are fragmented,
> due to design decisions that get in the way of interop (tho interop is
hard at the best of
> times).
>> Im not sure what the TAG can do about this, or even how many on the TAG
list still are
> interested in a decentralized web (tho I know TIm is).  One thing that may
be valuable is
> guidelines to developers building decentralized solutions on how to
prevent fragmentation,
> and how to encourage interop.  It's a difficult problem to talk about, let
alone to solve!
>> ht
>> --
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>>       10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131
>>                 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk
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