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Available online at: http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/12-minutes.html And in plain text below: ----------------- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ Technical Architecture Group Teleconference 12 Apr 2012 [2]Agenda [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/12-agenda See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-irc Attendees Present Ashok Malhotra, Jeni Tennison, Yves Lafon, Noah Mendelsohn, Henry Thompson, Tim Berners-Lee, Larry Masinter, Jonathan Rees, Peter Linss Regrets Chair Noah Mendelsohn Scribe Yves Lafon Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Administrative items 2. [6]Close pending Actions without discussion 3. [7]ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries 4. [8]Web Applications: Security 5. [9]closing actions 6. [10]Pending review actions 7. [11]Overdue actions 8. [12](URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries * [13]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ next scribe should be Peter ht: F2F minutes, tuesday's minutes were out yesterday, there are still work to do in there (mark in red) tim: I worked on those ht: let's postpone until next week so for all, we need you to review tuesday's minutes ht: there is a draft action form Robin (on tuesday), but it didn't make it in the action list <noah> [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes noah: we should probably assign that issue <noah> Based on imperfect record in [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes assigning [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes <noah> ACTION: Robin to draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action01] [16] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-693 - Draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch [on Robin Berjon - due 2012-04-19]. Administrative items Chair solicits guidance on level of TAG interest in issues like the proposed http+aes URI scheme <JeniT> +1 to have a brief look timbl: interested to have something presented about it <noah> ACTION: Noah to work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH - Due 2012-04-24 [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action02] [17] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-694 - work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH [on Noah Mendelsohn - due 2012-04-24]. Close pending Actions without discussion there are 4 issues to be closed, talk now or else we will close them <noah> Proposal to close in bulk ACTION-627,ACTION-662, ACTION-673, ACTION-674, ACTION-676 <noah> RESOLVED: to close in bulk ACTION-627,ACTION-662, ACTION-673, ACTION-674, ACTION-676 close ACTION-627 <trackbot> ACTION-627 Schedule very detailed line-by-line review of Pub&Linking draft at January F2F closed close ACTION-662 <trackbot> ACTION-662 Redraft proposed product page on API Minimization ( [18]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apiminimization.html) closed [18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/apiminimization.html) close ACTION-673 <trackbot> ACTION-673 Prepare for F2F discussion of httpRange-14 change proposals Due 2012-03-13 closed close ACTION-674 <trackbot> ACTION-674 encourage Chris Lilley to meet with us to discuss 3023bis and semantics of Fragment Identifiers closed close ACTION-676 <trackbot> ACTION-676 Check with Norm whether there is sufficient feedback on HTML/XML to merit F2F discussion closed ISSUE-50 (URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries Noah: should we wait to have Larry ? <noah> Looking at: [19]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-re gs-04 [19] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 Jeni: would be far better to have Larry to discuss this jar: there was a deadline soon (like this week) ... reviewed the diff, I find it weak wrt fragment ids jeni: might be good to wait until next week and have a short call about that [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0043.ht ml [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0043.html jar deadline is tomorrow ht: it's WGLC so we are not entirely too late noah: regarding Jeni's document, there was a 2 days of silence = consent <noah> [21]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Apr/0003.html [21] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2012Apr/0003.html <noah> ACTION-680? <trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule (soon) TAG telcon review of [22]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-re gs-04 -- due 2012-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW [22] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680 [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680 <noah> ACTION-680? <trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Jeni Tennison to lead TAG telcon review (rescheduled) of [24]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-re gs-04 -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW [24] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 <trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680 [25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680 Web Applications: Security <noah> ACTION-344? <trackbot> ACTION-344 -- Jonathan Rees to alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review -- due 2012-03-27 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/344 [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/344 jar: the question is "is the security consideration section accurate?" <noah> [27]http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-cors-20120403/#security [27] http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-cors-20120403/#security jar: some suggestion were requested but not sure they made it in the security consideration section. Having an external review would be helpful ashok: looked at the webapps wg charter and it looks like they stopped working on UMP. jar: UMP was folded into CORS if the flag is off, you have UMP noah: do you think we should invite tlr when larry is around (to see if there are plans for ietf review of this document) ht: first instance would be to ask tlr via email <noah> close ACTION-344 <trackbot> ACTION-344 Alert TAG chair when CORS and/or UMP goes to LC to trigger security review closed <noah> ACTION: Jonathan to check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action03] [28] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action03 <trackbot> Created ACTION-695 - Check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison [on Jonathan Rees - due 2012-04-19]. <noah> Per HT request on 15 March 2012, I think we should discuss whether we think XML-ER is adopting the right goals and use cases. At F2F if it fits. noah: it seems suboptimal to talk about that without Robin ht: would be good to wait two weeks <noah> ACTION: Jeni to frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases - Due 2012-04-24 [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action04] [29] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-696 - frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases [on Jeni Tennison - due 2012-04-24]. <noah> ACTION-656? <trackbot> ACTION-656 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule discussion of possibly getting W3C to invest in technologies for liberal XML processing (e.g. XML5) -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/656 [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/656 closing actions <jar> The question for me is: Are languages for which all strings are valid (nonerroneous) sentences architecturally good or bad? <noah> ACTION-564? <trackbot> ACTION-564 -- Henry Thompson to track fragid issues in 3023bis, report to TAG and/or communicate with 3023bis editors as appropriate -- due 2012-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564 [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/564 <noah> ACTION-628? <trackbot> ACTION-628 -- Henry Thompson to work with Chris Lilley to bring forward prose for 3023bis wrt generic processing of fragment identifiers which addresses the rdf+xml and xhtml+xml issues -- due 2012-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/628 [32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/628 Pending review actions <noah> close ACTION-628 <trackbot> ACTION-628 Work with Chris Lilley to bring forward prose for 3023bis wrt generic processing of fragment identifiers which addresses the rdf+xml and xhtml+xml issues closed <noah> Henry to reopen and reschedule ACTION-564 Noah: is there a volunteer for chairing and the agenda for next week? chair for next week: ht <noah> ACTION-680? <trackbot> ACTION-680 -- Jeni Tennison to lead TAG telcon review (rescheduled) of [33]http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-re gs-04 -- due 2012-04-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW [33] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs-04 <trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680 [34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/680 Overdue actions <noah> [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort =owner [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner <noah> ACTION-678? <trackbot> ACTION-678 -- Robin Berjon to ask Dom if there's something he think would be worth discussing with the TAG -- due 2012-03-22 -- OPEN <trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/678 [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/678 <noah> close ACTION-678 <trackbot> ACTION-678 Ask Dom if there's something he think would be worth discussing with the TAG closed <noah> ACTION-659? <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659 [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659 <noah> ACTION-659 Due: 2012-07-31 <noah> ACTION-659 - Due 2012-07-31 <noah> ACTION-659? <trackbot> ACTION-659 -- Yves Lafon to track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN <trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659 [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/659 <noah> ACTION-659 Due: 2012-07-31 <noah> ACTION-659: Due 2012-07-31 <trackbot> ACTION-659 Track IETF efforts on HTTP 2.0 & SPDY Due: 2012-03-20 notes added <noah> ACTION-638 <noah> close ACTION-638 <trackbot> ACTION-638 Help Noah figure out best ways, if at all, for TAG to participate in IETF paris closed <noah> ACTION-594? <trackbot> ACTION-594 -- Yves Lafon to with Peter and Henry produce partial revision of fragment id finding -- due 2012-03-13 -- OPEN <trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/594 [39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/594 <noah> close ACTION-594? <noah> was discussed at F2f <JeniT> +1 for closing <noah> ACTION-683? <trackbot> ACTION-683 -- Yves Lafon to figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG -- due 2012-04-09 -- OPEN <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683 [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/683 <noah> ACTION-683 Due 2012-04-24 <trackbot> ACTION-683 Figure out who might be a good choice to present Hybi (and as appropriate WebSocket protocols) to the TAG due date now 2012-04-24 <noah> ACTION-679? <trackbot> ACTION-679 -- Yves Lafon to check how Appcache should fit into Ashok's storage document -- due 2012-04-02 -- OPEN <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/679 [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/679 <noah> ACTION-679 Due 2012-04-31 <trackbot> ACTION-679 check how Appcache should fit into Ashok's storage document due date now 2012-04-31 <noah> close ACTION-594 <trackbot> ACTION-594 With Peter and Henry produce partial revision of fragment id finding closed <noah> ACTION-677? <trackbot> ACTION-677 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF -- due 2012-03-24 -- OPEN <trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677 [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677 <noah> ACTION-677 Due 2012-04-24 <trackbot> ACTION-677 Contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF due date now 2012-04-24 <noah> ACTION-687? <trackbot> ACTION-687 -- Noah Mendelsohn to look for opportunities to discuss putting forward something to the AB about the Process and the failed reference from RECs to expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep etc. -- due 2012-04-04 -- OPEN <trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/687 [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/687 <masinter> expired internet drafts <masinter> RFCs don't expire <noah> ACTION-687 Due 2012-04-24 <trackbot> ACTION-687 Look for opportunities to discuss putting forward something to the AB about the Process and the failed reference from REC drafts to expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep etc. due date now 2012-04-24 <jar> edited action name <noah> ACTION-677? <trackbot> ACTION-677 -- Noah Mendelsohn to contact HTML WG co-chairs to ask about timing for output of Encrypted Media TF -- due 2012-04-24 -- OPEN <trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677 [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/677 <noah> ACTION-667? <trackbot> ACTION-667 -- Noah Mendelsohn to check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.htm l -- due 2012-04-01 -- OPEN [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html <trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/667 [46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/667 <noah> ACTION-667 Due 2012-07-15 <trackbot> ACTION-667 Check, when publishing and linking wraps, whether it's time to reinvest in [47]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.htm l due date now 2012-07-15 [47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/12/evolution/Registries.html <noah> ACTION-657? <trackbot> ACTION-657 -- Noah Mendelsohn to schedule telcon discussion of possible XML/HTML Unification next steps -- due 2012-04-10 -- OPEN <trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/657 [48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/657 <noah> close ACTION-657 <trackbot> ACTION-657 Schedule telcon discussion of possible XML/HTML Unification next steps closed <noah> ACTION-636 Due 2012-07-15 <trackbot> ACTION-636 Update product page for Mime and the Web due date now 2012-07-15 <noah> ACTION-201? <trackbot> ACTION-201 -- Jonathan Rees to report on status of AWWSW discussions -- due 2012-03-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201 [49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/201 <noah> ACTION-201 Due 2012-05-15 <trackbot> ACTION-201 Report on status of AWWSW discussions due date now 2012-05-15 <noah> ACTION-649 <noah> ACTION-649? <trackbot> ACTION-649 -- Jeni Tennison to produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document -- due 2012-03-20 -- OPEN <trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/649 [50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/649 <ht> [Larry Masinter joins the call] <noah> JT: I found this hard to do, would like to just close this. <noah> close ACTION-649 <trackbot> ACTION-649 Produce a document with examples motivating the technical points in the Copyright/Linking document closed (URNsAndRegistries-50): Registries larry: we need to ensure that fragment identifiers are well defined jeni: there should also be a place where top-level schemes could have a hook to define fragments larry: people who register media types should have guidance jeni: and the +xml/+json/+... schemes as well <masinter> if we're going to ask them to make a reference to a document we haven't written, we should have a schedule for when we're going to do it <noah> Our draft note says: <noah> We believe media type registration authors should be pointed to these recommendations by reference from draft-ietf-appsawg-media-type-regs. <noah> We would like to coordinate the development of these documents effectively and would appreciate your feedback on how best to accomplish this. <masinter> i'm willing to help, the question is what others on the TAG think about priorities <masinter> if the rest of the TAG doesn't want to make this a top priority, we oculd just say "they should do something but we can't be ready in time to really write it ourselves", but even then we'd need to review it <masinter> well, if you look at their document, i'd imagine they'd want something in a similar tone. I'm not sure if it's an internet draft / rfc format noah: would be better to write it in the form of a TAG document main issue is to have the content right <masinter> i'd ask appsawg chairs <masinter> i don't have anything to say about CORS now <jar> CORS is in webappsec -- Brad Hill larry: I trust from the people in the groups that there is coordination between W3C and IETF; EKR is co-chair of webappsec noah: make sense <masinter> DANE last call today <jar> LM is not suggesting security research in isolation, but rather as a test of ideas that we are thinking about elsewhere (such as URI semantics and "ownership") <noah> ACTION: Larry to prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration - Due 2012-05-15 [recorded in [51]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action05] [51] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-697 - prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration [on Larry Masinter - due 2012-05-15]. noah: I delegate to ht the right to cancel the meeting for next week ADJOURNED Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jeni to frame discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases - Due 2012-04-24 [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Jonathan to check with Thomas Roessler on whether security review of CORS is coming up in W3C/IETF liaison [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Larry to prepare overview of DANE for TAG consideration - Due 2012-05-15 [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Noah to work up simple intro to http+aes uri scheme and schedule discussion, possibly with PLH - Due 2012-04-24 [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Robin to draft scope and goals for the Patterns/Pitfalls work in local/remote storage synch [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action01] [52] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action04 [53] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action03 [54] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action05 [55] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action02 [56] http://www.w3.org/2012/04/12-tagmem-minutes.html#action01 [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [57]scribe.perl version 1.136 ( [58]CVS log) $Date: 2012/04/26 13:43:47 $ [57] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [58] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ -- Baroula que barouleras, au tiéu toujou t'entourneras. ~~Yves
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