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Re: Identification of documents in Web applications

From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:24:43 -0500
Message-ID: <4D779BBB.3070605@arcanedomain.com>
To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
CC: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>, Jeni Tennison <jeni@jenitennison.com>
Ashok:

I also very much want to discuss the points in my posting of last night 
[1], highlights of which are:

* Use a document abstraction in Web apps when you can.

* When you do, provide first class URIs that can be emailed, linked, and 
accessed from non-Javascript clients.

* Put more long term emphasis on using "?" vs "#" syntax. For that reason, 
change the title of the HashInURI draft to something like: "Identification 
of resources in Web applications", or something else that's neutral with 
respect to syntactic choices.

BTW: I think the first two of these are pretty close to Good Practice Notes 
I'd advocate putting in your finding.

FYI: What I intend to do is schedule for tomorrow discussion specifically 
of !# (especially Jeni's note) and my posting. Then we'll get back to other 
issues raised by your draft on a subsequent call.  Thanks!

Noah

[1] 
http://blog.arcanedomain.com/2011/03/identifying-documents-in-web-applications/
[2] http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/154

On 3/9/2011 10:18 AM, ashok malhotra wrote:
> Hi Noah:
> The latest version of the HashInUri Draft is
> http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/HashInURI-20110228.html
>
> When we discuss this we should distinguish two threads of argument
> - The use of fragment identifiers to identify, public, reproducible states
> in AJAX apps
> - The use of the #! convention which was introduced by Google (see
> http://code.google.com/web/ajaxcrawling/docs/specification.html) to make
> such client states crawlable
> All the best, Ashok
>
> On 3/8/2011 8:11 PM, Noah Mendelsohn wrote:
>> I've posted some thoughts at [1] on the identification of documents in
>> Web applications. This relates to the draft Ashok is editing on
>> client-side URIs [2](titled: "Repurposing the Hash Sign for the New Web",
>> though one of the points in my posting is that we need to look at "?" as
>> well as "#", so I'd really like to change that title.)
>>
>> The posting also relates to the hash-bang #! controversy, and I'll be
>> scheduling a discussion of that for Thursday. Please try to read both my
>> posting [1] and Jeni's [3] before this week's call. Last I heard from
>> Amy, Tim will be joining us. I expect to do the agenda tomorrow morning.
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Noah
>>
>> [1]
>> http://blog.arcanedomain.com/2011/03/identifying-documents-in-web-applications/
>>
>> [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/HashInURI-20110208
>> [3] http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/154
>>
>
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