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Re: author-only view of HTML5 and ACTION-190

From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:41:35 -0400
Message-ID: <4DA9E2DF.7010705@arcanedomain.com>
To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
CC: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)" <mike@w3.org>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>

On 4/16/2011 10:02 AM, Paul Cotton wrote:
> I believe the ACTION-190 was closed when this document was published in January.  See:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html-markup-20110113/
>
> and of course it was republished recently:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html-markup-20110405/
>
> Does that answer your question?

Thank you for the response.

Actually no, this does not resolve the concern. The document you reference 
above is indeed of interest to the TAG too, and we are glad that it is 
being published. but it is not the one in question here I'm fairly sure. 
That is [1], which is the author view of the main spec. That was the one 
that Mike had told us in Lyon he had left out of the then recently 
published package due to the work involved in pubrules compliance, and you 
(Paul) and I agreed that the TAG's concern would be resolved if it were put 
onto the rec track. I think it's clear from your 4 Nov 2010 message, quoted 
in part in the thread below, that it's [1] that's in question here. Can you 
confirm that it too is going into the Rec. packages? Thank you.

Noah

[1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec-author-view/


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: author-only view of HTML5 and ACTION-190
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 14:02:13 +0000
From: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
To: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
CC: public-html@w3.org <public-html@w3.org>, Michael(tm) Smith 
(mike@w3.org) <mike@w3.org>, www-tag@w3.org <www-tag@w3.org>

I believe the ACTION-190 was closed when this document was published in 
January.  See:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html-markup-20110113/

and of course it was republished recently:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-html-markup-20110405/

Does that answer your question?

/paulc

Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329


-----Original Message-----
From: Noah Mendelsohn [mailto:nrm@arcanedomain.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 2:44 PM
To: Paul Cotton
Cc: public-html@w3.org; Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org); www-tag@w3.org
Subject: Re: author-only view of HTML5 and ACTION-190

Paul,

I was wondering whether you might give me an update on the status of this?
I followed some of the links from your ACTION-190 [1]; as best I can tell 
it was put off for a week on 6 January 2011 [2], and then I lose the trail.
This is about getting the author-only view back into the HTML5 Rec-track 
publication packages.

I have TAG ACTION 379, which is basically to make sure this happens 
eventually, so it would be helpful to know where this stands. Thank you 
very much.

Noah

[1] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/190
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JanMar/0001.html
[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/379

On 11/4/2010 6:16 AM, Paul Cotton wrote:
 > I am bringing forward how we handled ISSUE-59 since Noah M, (TAG
 > Chair) asked me today to confirm that we did what we promised in the 
email below.
 >
 >>  There was general agreement that the author-only view of the main
 >> spec,
 > plus a commitment to maintain it and improve its quality, was
 > sufficient as a normative reference.
 >
 > Useful references for this discussion are:
 >
 > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/59
 >
 > and Mike's action item that produced the first PWD of H:TML
 >
 > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/168
 >
 >  From the current Editor's draft:
 >
 > http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
 >
 >>  This specification is available in the following formats: single
 >> page
 > HTML <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html>, multipage HTML
 > <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/spec.html>, web developer edition
 > <http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/author/>.
 >
 > The "author-only view" aka "web developer edition" appears to be
 > available for the current Editors draft but the link that occurs in
 > the Editors Draft is NOT available in the current TR version at
 > http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20101019/. The link was previously
 > published in the June WD: see
 > http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-html5-20100624/
 >
 > Mike Smith has explained to me that the link was not included on the
 > last publication cycle since the "author-only view" did not pass
 > pubrules and he could not get the problems fixed in the time we gave
 > him to publish the 8 WD specifications.
 >
 > Mike and I have created ACTION-190 to track the work needed to solve
 > this
 > problem:
 >
 > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/190
 >
 > /paulc
 >
 > PS: This is TAG Issue-379.
 >
 > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada
 >
 > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3
 >
 > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org]
 > On Behalf Of Maciej Stachowiak
 > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 12:55 AM
 > To: HTMLWG WG
 > Subject: CfC: Close ISSUE-59 normative-language-reference (ends
 > 2009-12-17)
 >
 > At TPAC, we had a joint session with the TAG where we discussed their
 > interest in having a separate language reference. There was general
 > agreement that the author-only view of the main spec, plus a
 > commitment to maintain it and improve its quality, was sufficient as a
 > normative reference. There was also agreement that Mike's document
 > would be useful and beneficial as a non-normative reference guide to
 > the syntax. Therefore, it seems there is no more controversy over
 > ISSUE-59, and we should close it by amicable resolution.
 >
 > If there are no objections, this issue will be closed on December 17, 2009.
 >
 > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/59
 >
 > Regards,
 >
 > Maciej
 >
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