- From: <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:34:46 -0400
- To: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
- Cc: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
I'm going to answer part of this now, and part of this later. One reason
is to keep the response from getting long, but the main reason is that I'm
out of network contact at the moment and can't follow links. So, with
regard to some of your questions and points:
Larry Masinter writes:
> * ACTION-227 Summarize TAG work on metadata, with Larry
> While Jonathan has done this action (great job, no help from
> me), I don't see a follow-on ACTION or associated ISSUE. It's
> on our agenda, but I suggest leaving the ACTION open until
> we've decided what to do next.
That's not how we've traditionally used the action mechanism. The action
to Jonathan was to produce a document and I believe we all agree that's
done, so the action gets closed. Insofar as there's any nervousness that
I would forget to schedule followup discussion, the right mechanism is for
me to give myself another action to do that. As it happens, I did
schedule the discussion on today's agenda, and I keep my own notes on what
needs to be scheduled for upcoming meetings. I've specifically noted that
we cut off the discussion on this one when we realized you had left the
call, as you were deemed critical to progress. I have high confidence
that I won't forget this one. I also always review previous agendas and
minutes, so I'll see this was not dealt with.
> * ACTION-165 Formulate erratum text on versioning for the web
> architecture document
> The last message I can find on this topic indicates significant
> disagreement. So I'm not sure where that leads after this
> action. What are next steps on the issue, if any?
Short answer: you should have seen versioning-41 on the agenda for today,
so the need to follow up is not being lost. Slightly longer answer: this
is in part why I want shepherds for all issues, because there are too many
open for me to check every week. It would be the shepherd's job to be
sure that the TAG either knows what it's doing in this space, or that the
chair is asked to schedule discussion to find out, and once that's done to
ensure that the issue status, priority (or rank or whatever we called it),
and description are appropriate so I'll know when to schedule more
discussion and with what goals.
The general model is: we assign actions when an individual has a
deliverable to the group by some date. We do not need an action for
everything the chair has to schedule, because it's my standing
responsibility to know the group's priorities and what needs discussing.
Actions to me are used as a crosscheck or backstop in particular cases
where I or someone else is particularly nervous that I might otherwise
forget to do my job.
Noah
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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
03/11/2009 11:41 AM
To: "noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com" <noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com>,
"www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
cc:
Subject: RE: TAG Pending Review Action Items
Reviewing all the Pending Review action items, I have questions mainly
around what follow-on actions should be taken, where there is no ISSUE or
the issue has no appropriate next steps. It's likely that my questions can
be answered in email, so it isn't clear meeting time is necessary. I'm OK
closing all the ones not mentioned below:
* ACTION-165 Formulate erratum text on versioning for the web architecture
document
The last message I can find on this topic indicates significant
disagreement. So I'm not sure where that leads after this action. What are
next steps on the issue, if any?
* ACTION-193 Try to draft a blog posting adapted from
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/hash-in-url, with help from TVR
It looks like the result of this action was "inspiration hasn't struck"
which seems a bit lame. The underlying issue has no follow-on actions. The
"hash-in-url" document looks interesting, relevant to ongoing W3C work.
Should there be some follow-on action, e.g., asking affected W3C working
groups or others to review the draft document?
(And "draft a blog posting" didn't come up when we discussed possible ways
the TAG could make information available and create lasting artifacts.)
* ACTION-227 Summarize TAG work on metadata, with Larry
While Jonathan has done this action (great job, no help from me), I don't
see a follow-on ACTION or associated ISSUE. It's on our agenda, but I
suggest leaving the ACTION open until we've decided what to do next.
* ACTION-221 Work with Dave Orchard to close up the formalism facet of
the versioning document, due in two weeks
Again, I think there are related topics on the agenda, but I'm not sure
what the plan is for wrapping up the current round of versioning work.
-----Original Message-----
From: www-tag-request@w3.org [mailto:www-tag-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of
noah_mendelsohn@us.ibm.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 5:26 PM
To: www-tag@w3.org
Subject: TAG Pending Review Action Items
Often on teleconferences we attempt to close by "voice vote" action items
that are marked PENDING REVIEW, I.e. those that the person responsible
believes are completed. I was preparing to do the same on Thursday's
call, but when I pulled up the list at [1] it seemed unusually long. To
avoid spending a lot of time on the call, I'm suggesting an alternative
procedure for this week: please look at the list now. If there are any
that you don't give me as chair permission to close or not at my
discretion, then let me know and we'll either resolve via email or discuss
just those on Thursday. So, silence is assent to my doing what I think
best, which in most cases will be to close.
As a placeholder, I'll put an item on the agenda referencing this note,
but I'm hoping to be able to pass by it without spending significant time.
A somewhat rough text version of the list is attached.
Noah
[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview
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Noah Mendelsohn
IBM Corporation
One Rogers Street
Cambridge, MA 02142
1-617-693-4036
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Technical Architecture Group Issue Tracking
Generated by [21]Tracker
- Version 1.10
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/
Pending review Actions
There are 11 pending review actions.
[_] [25]ACTION-165[26] (edit) pending review [27]Formulate erratum text
on versioning for the web architecture document John Kemp 2009-02-24
[28]XMLVersioning-41
[_] [29]ACTION-176[30] (edit) pending review [31]send comments on exi
w.r.t. evaluation and efficiency Noah Mendelsohn 2009-03-02
[32]binaryXML-30
[_] [33]ACTION-193[34] (edit) pending review [35]Try to draft a blog
posting adapted from http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/hash-in-url, with help
from TVR Dan Connolly 2009-02-25[36]webApplicationState-60
[_] [37]ACTION-200[38] (edit) pending review [39]Revise "Uniform Access
to Metadata" (needs title change) to add XRD use case
Jonathan Rees 2009-02-24 [40]HttpRedirections-57
[_] [41]ACTION-205[42] (edit) pending review [43]Henry to begin
responding to Marcos asking the question: Why does the spec not say "A
conforming spec MUST recommend a hierarchical adressing schems that can be
used to address the individual resources within a widget resource from
within a config doc, widget, or other constituent of the same widget pkg."
Henry S. Thompson 2009-01-15 [44]WebApps access control requirements
review
[_] [45]ACTION-213[46] (edit) pending review [47]Convene weekly
teleconference, take roll (regrets: Tim), review agenda Noah
Mendelsohn 2009-01-01 [48]ultimateQuestion-42
[_] [49]ACTION-215[50] (edit) pending review [51]Announce minutes of 19
Feb TAG teleconference Ashok Malhotra 2009-02-23 [52]ultimateQuestion-42
[_] [53]ACTION-217[54] (edit) pending review [55]Raise moving the
registry to w3.org with Mark Nottingham Jonathan Rees 2009-02-24
[56]HttpRedirections-57
[_] [57]ACTION-221[58] (edit) pending review [59]Work with Dave Orchard
to close up the formalism facet of the versioning document, due in two
weeks Jonathan Rees 2009-02-24 [60]XMLVersioning-41
[_] [61]ACTION-227[62] (edit) pending review [63]Summarize TAG work on
metadata, with Larry Jonathan Rees 2009-02-24
[_] [64]ACTION-230[65] (edit) pending review [66]Get Noah to look at
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34786/TPAC2009/ Dan Connolly
2009-03-09
References:
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/?sort=status
[23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/?sort=owner
[24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/?sort=due
[25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/165
[26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/165/edit
[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/165
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/41
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/176
[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/176/edit
[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/176
[32] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/30
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/193
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/193/edit
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/193
[36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/60
[37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/200
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/200/edit
[39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/200
[40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/205
[42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/205/edit
[43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/205
[44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/products/2
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/213
[46] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/213/edit
[47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/213
[48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/42
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/215
[50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/215/edit
[51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/215
[52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/42
[53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/217
[54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/217/edit
[55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/217
[56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/57
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/221
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/221/edit
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/221
[60] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues/41
[61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/227
[62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/227/edit
[63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/227
[64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/230
[65] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/230/edit
[66] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/230
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