Noah, while you've got the self-describing web stuff swapped in... attached find an example of follow-your-nose issues within a document. (cf xmlFunctions ISSUE-34). I don't expect it's worth space in the finding, but I'd like you to look it over and let me know if it makes sense. p.s. I don't know if this crossed your radar... The details of data in documents: GRDDL, profiles, and HTML5 http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/08/the_details_of_data_in_documen.html -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E
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On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 10:23 -0700, Ryan King wrote: > On Sep 4, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Henri Sivonen wrote: > > In general, having the URI at the top of the page source and the > > microformat later in the body goes against the view source copy and > > paste way of learning HTML and also goes against the restrictions of > > blogging systems that allow people to paste stuff somewhere in the > > body but not control the head of the page. > > To get around this issue, there's a proposal on the microformats wiki > [1] that would allow profile URIs to be placed in the body. That will probably work in a lot of cases, but consider something like: <h2>Exhibit A: the fraudulent check</h2> <blockquote> <dl class='hpayment'> <dt>Pay to the order of:</dt> <dd class="hcard">Ben Fraudster</dd> <dt>Amount</dt> <dd>$10,000</dd> <dt>rounting number</dt> <dd>...</dd> <dt>account number</dt> <dd>...</dd> </dl> <p>This is a <a rel="profile" href= "http://www.nccusl.org.example/edraft-profile">UCC electronic draft</a>. </blockquote> The check is quoted within another legal document. The author of the outer legal document doesn't mean to offer payment but to say "look at that check; it's bogus." I expect this sort of thing is in the noise for upwards of 80% of the cases, so I don't expect it to get much consideration in the design of HTML 5. But GRDDL was designed as a long-tail mechanism. The GRDDL WG looked at a number of ways to push the profile signal down from the top of the document to facilitate cut-and-paste but found that each of them conflicted with the "faithful rendition" requirement and postponed the issue. http://www.w3.org/TR/grddl/#sec_rend issue-tx-element: is there a way to push the grddl:transformation attribute down from the document element to individual elements without breaking the chain of authority? POSTPONED 2007-01-17 http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/issues#issue-tx-element I had a tooth-brushing-thought about using visible icons somehow... but I haven't really finished it... > -ryan > > 1. http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-profile -- Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29EReceived on Friday, 5 September 2008 22:51:14 UTC
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