- From: Henry S. Thompson <ht@inf.ed.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 12:51:08 +0100
- To: Aaron M Leventhal <aleventh@us.ibm.com>
- Cc: "public-html@w3.org" <public-html@w3.org>, "public-xhtml2@w3.org" <public-xhtml2@w3.org>, w3c-wai-pf@w3.org, "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
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Aaron M Leventhal writes:
> How unusual can the bug be if it happened in the very first example I
> tried? Come on, you know that a checkbox is not unusual :) Before trying
> it, I really wasn't sure how easy or hard the conversion to the fake
> namespace proposal would actually be. The proposal made me believe that
> mixing with real namespaces might actually go smoothly. Unfortunately it
> just turned out to be a quagmire.
You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their chests, and I
appreciate your willingness to make the effort to explore the
consequences of the proposal and give feedback. That has made it
clear that at the very least I could/should have done better
explaining what the design patterns were that followed from the core
of the proposal. I am a bit disappointed that you haven't responded
to my effort to do this:
>> My view, as suggested in [1], is that if we go with aria: we will have
>> two phases:
>> 1) Only get/setAttribute will work cleanly and across the board, and
>> CSS selectors will have to be duplicated (i.e. both \: and | will
>> have to be used). Documents written this way will work whether
>> parsed as HTML or as XHTML, see e.g.
>> http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/04/ARIA-Testing/leventhal_colon_html.html
>> http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/04/ARIA-Testing/leventhal_colon_xhtml.html
>> which are the _same_ file, served as text/html and
>> application/xhtml+xml respectively. These both work in Firefox 2
>> and 3 and Safari 3.1.1 -- only the HTML version works in Opera 9.
>> I have another example, based on one from iCITA, which I'm waiting
>> for permission from the original copyright holder to publish,
>> which works in all four browser families.
I can now make that other example public (my thanks to Jon Gunderson
of the Illinois Center for Information Technology Accessibility
(iCITA)):
http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/04/ARIA-Testing/uct-colon-html.html
http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/04/ARIA-Testing/uct-colon-xhtml.html
These tests were converted from the 'aria-' iCITA examples using the
above methodology, very easily, and work in IE 7 as well as Firefox,
Opera and Safari (and, with an edited and rebuilt accessibility
module in Firefox 3b5, with the ORCA screen-reader).
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