- From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
- Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:08:09 -0400
- To: Marc de Graauw <marc@marcdegraauw.com>
- Cc: 'Pat Hayes' <phayes@ihmc.us>, 'John Cowan' <cowan@ccil.org>, 'Technical Architecture Group WG' <www-tag@w3.org>
Marc de Graauw scripsit: > I don't think Quine would hold such a radical position. He would > probably say we need to replace the everyday word 'unicorn' with some > definite description such as 'animals which look like horses and have > a single horn on their head', >From the point of view of subject-matter, this is of course a total flop. It is one thing to talk about unicorns, and another to talk about animals which look etc. etc. Quine, notoriously, didn't care: he was only interested in the parts of natural language that were reducible to FOPL, and everything else could go hang. Let's remember that this is a severely practical question. People make and use subject indexes, and they need to be able to index things that don't exist (it is not all one whether we talk of unicorns or pegasi), and to distinguish between various sorts of inexistent things, and even between things and other things that are identical with them. "Hesperus" is the name of one subject-matter, "Phosphorus" the name of another, and "the planet Venus" the name of a third, although as planets they are all the same object. > And to me it seems fine to use a word like 'subject' or 'resource' > for all such constructs, existing or not, if we keep in mind we use > 'resource' or 'subject' in a more technical sense and not the everyday > English sense. I believe, however, that the sense of "subject" here is an ordinary English sense, or at least one of them. Specifically, it is sense 13a as listed in the OED: 13. a. In a specialized sense: That which forms or is chosen as the matter of thought, consideration, or inquiry; a topic, theme. [Illustrative quotations:] 1586 B. YOUNG Guazzo's Civ. Conv. IV. 208 Now that Lorde Hercules hathe geuen occasion to talke of this subiecte. 1667 Decay Chr. Piety 346 Here he would have us..fix our thoughts and studies: Nor need we fear that they are too dry a subject for our contemplation. a1700 EVELYN Diary 13 June 1683, We shew'd him divers experiments on the magnet, on which subject the Society were upon. 1729 BUTLER Serm. Wks. 1874 II. 51 Justice must be done to every part of a subject when we are considering it. 1780 Mirror No. 89 As for politics, it was a subject far beyond the reach of any female capacity. 1794 MRS. RADCLIFFE Myst. Udolpho xxxviii, 'Alas! I know it too well,' replied Emily: 'spare me on this terrible subject.' 1828 MISS MITFORD in L'Estrange Life (1870) II. xi. 247 History never will sell so well as more familiar and smaller subjects. 1837 DISRAELI Venetia II. i, Her father had become a forbidden subject. 1872 MORLEY Voltaire (1886) 9/9 He always paid religion respect enough to treat it as the most important of all subjects. 1874 CARPENTER Mental Phys. I. ii. (1879) 70 The phenomena presented by the Human subject. 1902 V. JACOB Sheep-Stealers viii, The Pig-driver seated himself beside him and plunged immediately into his subject. A jester, it is said, boasted that he could make a joke on any subject. The King challenged him: "Make a joke about me, then!" "Ah," said the jester, "but Your Majesty is not a subject." -- Business before pleasure, if not too bloomering long before. --Nicholas van Rijn John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
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