Minutes, 9 October 2014 SVG WG telcon

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SVG Working Group Teleconference
09 Oct 2014

Agenda

See also: IRC log
Attendees

Present
Regrets
Chair
     ed
Scribe
     Cyril

Contents

     Topics
         TTML review
         content model of gradient stops
         F2F
         SVG Accessibility TF Work Statement
         Update old specs
     Summary of Action Items

<trackbot> Date: 09 October 2014

I proposed another agenda on the agenda page

"Updating the old specs to make clear SVG 2 is the latest (Cyril)"

<scribe> scribe: Cyril

<scribe> scribeNick: Cyril
TTML review

ed: this is a reminder that you should review
... since it covers images, it might be worth to see if SVg images can 
be used

Cyril: image support comes from SMPTE
... not sure it has SVG support, I doubt
... I will review it but may not have any comment

ed: my comment would be just a question related to the use of SVG, that's it

Cyril: one question worth looking at would be to see if TTML to SVG 
could be done

<scribe> ACTION: Cyril to review the TTML WD and send comments to the 
TTWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3671 - Review the ttml wd and send comments to 
the ttwg [on Cyril Concolato - due 2014-10-16].
content model of gradient stops

ed: came up in a code review for blink
... SVG 2 drafts says that any paint server is allowed in a stop
... this may or not make sense

<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Oct/0003.html

ed: this is a change from SVG 1.1
... it's a little bit confusing to have gradients or patterns in stops

Cyril: is it related to solid color ?

ed: maybe

<ChrisL> I don't see a benefit to gradients in stops

ed: but more related to Brian changes regarding the child keywords for 
fill and stroke properties

birtles: I can't rememer exactly, doesn't feel so important, happy to 
drop that

nikos: meshrow also includes paint servers
... that seems wrong as well

Tav: yes

birtles: with meshrow it might make more sense, you could specify and 
inherit

Tav: meshrow is a container for meshpatches

birtles: can mesh patches have paint servers

nikos: no

birtles: then it does not make sense

<ed> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/single-page.html#pservers-GradientStops

ed: meshrow, stop, what else ?
... other elements that should not have paint servers as children ?

Tav: mesh patches or coons patches ?
... do they allow that ?

nikos: mesh patch doesn't

birtles: I probably did a search/replace for fill and allowed child 
paint servers

<ed> meshGradient?

<ChrisL> silverlight did the same thing, paint servers as children of 
what they were painting

ChrisL: solidColor shouldn't allow any paint server

<ChrisL> things restricted to solid fills should not allow other types 
of paint server though

<birtles> (the reasoning was anything that allows 'fill' as a 
presentation attribute should allow the 'child' keyword, and hence 
should allow paint servers in its content model... but that might not be 
such a great idea)

nikos: it seems useful when you have href and you can inherit values 
from the paint server

Tav: the only case is when you use solid paints, but that's probably not 
important

nikos: but even that case doesn't work for mesh row

birtles: I haven't even updated the definition of the paint servers to 
allow the child keyword
... not so useful yet

ed: we should update the spec so that it's describing the truth

<scribe> ACTION: Brian to update the content model for elements using 
paint servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3672 - Update the content model for elements 
using paint servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [on Brian Birtles - due 
2014-10-16].
F2F

<ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/TPAC_2014/Agenda_proposals

ed: reminder that you should add your agenda items for the F2F
... I moved Tav's item to the FX
... text on a shape: is it FX or SVG?

Tav: FX
... image rendering should be discussed in FX too

Cyril: is the FX meeting the 1st or 2nd day

ed: not decided, I'd prefer the first day

ChrisL: we had a request from another group to meet on the first day

ed: my idea is to have FX on the afternoon of the 1st day
... I need to confirm with CSS
... I don't want to waste people's time, I'd like to have a solid list 
of topics for FX
... so please add your topics
... we had another request with accessibility to meeting in the morning 
11AM on the thursday
... if no objection, I'll say yes

ChrisL: sounds good, 11AM to 1PM
... otherwise it'd be brief

<ed> proposal from Janina: "Thursday, October 30, from 11:15 AM until 
approx 11:45-Noon."

richardschwerdtfeger: 45 minutes you said ?
... really short

ChrisL: we have accessibility in the Charter
... that seems a good opportunity to start taht

<ChrisL> two new deliverables

ed: I'd suggest we'll meet earlier

ChrisL: 10 to 12 would be good

<ed> ok, will respond
SVG Accessibility TF Work Statement

<ed> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/work-statement

ChrisL: I sent comments yesterday
... there is only one deliverable listed while we have 2
... contradictory text that has not been removed
... mostly fine
... Janina said it's ok
... we can say we approve it when we receive the update
... but that document is less important than the charter
... the charter needs to have 5% of member's approval

richardschwerdtfeger: did IBM vote yet?

nikos: what about Canon ?

ChrisL: Canon have not, IBM have
... Mozilla have not either

<ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/svg2014/

<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/2014/charter

richardschwerdtfeger: what about Oracle?

ChrisL: not yet responded

richardschwerdtfeger: I'll ask them
Update old specs

<ed> Cyril: ppl are complaining which is the latest spec, between 
whatwg, github and so on

<ed> ... ppl were even wondering on www-svg if svg2 is a continuation of 
svg1.1 or not

Cyril: we should add text to old specs saying that SVG 2 is the latest 
version

ChrisL: good idea

ed: heycam had an action related I think

ChrisL: you are asking for a republication of those documents
... we can do those sorts of things

Cyril: yes

<ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/3506 was the 
action on heycam

ChrisL: I can do it

<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to prepare wording for updating the old specs 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-3673 - Prepare wording for updating the old 
specs [on Chris Lilley - due 2014-10-16].

ChrisL: not sure it will be ready before the publishing moratorium

<ChrisL> assume this covers svg 1.0, svg 1.1se, svg tiny and svg basic 
and svgt1.2

<ed> http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#item02

ed: heycam's action was on SVG color and pagination
... it's not the same action

ChrisL: I can do that too
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Brian to update the content model for elements using paint 
servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [recorded in 
http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ChrisL to prepare wording for updating the old specs 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Cyril to review the TTML WD and send comments to the TTWG 
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]

[End of minutes]

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Cyril Concolato
Multimedia Group / Telecom ParisTech
http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/
@cconcolato

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