- From: Cyril Concolato <cyril.concolato@telecom-paristech.fr>
- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 15:42:13 +0200
- To: "www-svg@w3.org" <www-svg@w3.org>
Minutes are here:
http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html
And the text is here:
SVG Working Group Teleconference
09 Oct 2014
Agenda
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
Cyril
Contents
Topics
TTML review
content model of gradient stops
F2F
SVG Accessibility TF Work Statement
Update old specs
Summary of Action Items
<trackbot> Date: 09 October 2014
I proposed another agenda on the agenda page
"Updating the old specs to make clear SVG 2 is the latest (Cyril)"
<scribe> scribe: Cyril
<scribe> scribeNick: Cyril
TTML review
ed: this is a reminder that you should review
... since it covers images, it might be worth to see if SVg images can
be used
Cyril: image support comes from SMPTE
... not sure it has SVG support, I doubt
... I will review it but may not have any comment
ed: my comment would be just a question related to the use of SVG, that's it
Cyril: one question worth looking at would be to see if TTML to SVG
could be done
<scribe> ACTION: Cyril to review the TTML WD and send comments to the
TTWG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3671 - Review the ttml wd and send comments to
the ttwg [on Cyril Concolato - due 2014-10-16].
content model of gradient stops
ed: came up in a code review for blink
... SVG 2 drafts says that any paint server is allowed in a stop
... this may or not make sense
<ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2014Oct/0003.html
ed: this is a change from SVG 1.1
... it's a little bit confusing to have gradients or patterns in stops
Cyril: is it related to solid color ?
ed: maybe
<ChrisL> I don't see a benefit to gradients in stops
ed: but more related to Brian changes regarding the child keywords for
fill and stroke properties
birtles: I can't rememer exactly, doesn't feel so important, happy to
drop that
nikos: meshrow also includes paint servers
... that seems wrong as well
Tav: yes
birtles: with meshrow it might make more sense, you could specify and
inherit
Tav: meshrow is a container for meshpatches
birtles: can mesh patches have paint servers
nikos: no
birtles: then it does not make sense
<ed> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/single-page.html#pservers-GradientStops
ed: meshrow, stop, what else ?
... other elements that should not have paint servers as children ?
Tav: mesh patches or coons patches ?
... do they allow that ?
nikos: mesh patch doesn't
birtles: I probably did a search/replace for fill and allowed child
paint servers
<ed> meshGradient?
<ChrisL> silverlight did the same thing, paint servers as children of
what they were painting
ChrisL: solidColor shouldn't allow any paint server
<ChrisL> things restricted to solid fills should not allow other types
of paint server though
<birtles> (the reasoning was anything that allows 'fill' as a
presentation attribute should allow the 'child' keyword, and hence
should allow paint servers in its content model... but that might not be
such a great idea)
nikos: it seems useful when you have href and you can inherit values
from the paint server
Tav: the only case is when you use solid paints, but that's probably not
important
nikos: but even that case doesn't work for mesh row
birtles: I haven't even updated the definition of the paint servers to
allow the child keyword
... not so useful yet
ed: we should update the spec so that it's describing the truth
<scribe> ACTION: Brian to update the content model for elements using
paint servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3672 - Update the content model for elements
using paint servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [on Brian Birtles - due
2014-10-16].
F2F
<ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/TPAC_2014/Agenda_proposals
ed: reminder that you should add your agenda items for the F2F
... I moved Tav's item to the FX
... text on a shape: is it FX or SVG?
Tav: FX
... image rendering should be discussed in FX too
Cyril: is the FX meeting the 1st or 2nd day
ed: not decided, I'd prefer the first day
ChrisL: we had a request from another group to meet on the first day
ed: my idea is to have FX on the afternoon of the 1st day
... I need to confirm with CSS
... I don't want to waste people's time, I'd like to have a solid list
of topics for FX
... so please add your topics
... we had another request with accessibility to meeting in the morning
11AM on the thursday
... if no objection, I'll say yes
ChrisL: sounds good, 11AM to 1PM
... otherwise it'd be brief
<ed> proposal from Janina: "Thursday, October 30, from 11:15 AM until
approx 11:45-Noon."
richardschwerdtfeger: 45 minutes you said ?
... really short
ChrisL: we have accessibility in the Charter
... that seems a good opportunity to start taht
<ChrisL> two new deliverables
ed: I'd suggest we'll meet earlier
ChrisL: 10 to 12 would be good
<ed> ok, will respond
SVG Accessibility TF Work Statement
<ed> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/svg-a11y-tf/work-statement
ChrisL: I sent comments yesterday
... there is only one deliverable listed while we have 2
... contradictory text that has not been removed
... mostly fine
... Janina said it's ok
... we can say we approve it when we receive the update
... but that document is less important than the charter
... the charter needs to have 5% of member's approval
richardschwerdtfeger: did IBM vote yet?
nikos: what about Canon ?
ChrisL: Canon have not, IBM have
... Mozilla have not either
<ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/svg2014/
<ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/2014/charter
richardschwerdtfeger: what about Oracle?
ChrisL: not yet responded
richardschwerdtfeger: I'll ask them
Update old specs
<ed> Cyril: ppl are complaining which is the latest spec, between
whatwg, github and so on
<ed> ... ppl were even wondering on www-svg if svg2 is a continuation of
svg1.1 or not
Cyril: we should add text to old specs saying that SVG 2 is the latest
version
ChrisL: good idea
ed: heycam had an action related I think
ChrisL: you are asking for a republication of those documents
... we can do those sorts of things
Cyril: yes
<ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/3506 was the
action on heycam
ChrisL: I can do it
<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to prepare wording for updating the old specs
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3673 - Prepare wording for updating the old
specs [on Chris Lilley - due 2014-10-16].
ChrisL: not sure it will be ready before the publishing moratorium
<ChrisL> assume this covers svg 1.0, svg 1.1se, svg tiny and svg basic
and svgt1.2
<ed> http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#item02
ed: heycam's action was on SVG color and pagination
... it's not the same action
ChrisL: I can do that too
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Brian to update the content model for elements using paint
servers (stop, mesh row, mesh patch) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ChrisL to prepare wording for updating the old specs
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Cyril to review the TTML WD and send comments to the TTWG
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2014/10/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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Cyril Concolato
Multimedia Group / Telecom ParisTech
http://concolato.wp.mines-telecom.fr/
@cconcolato
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