- From: Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:32:32 -0700
- To: "w3c-svg-wg@w3.org" <w3c-svg-wg@w3.org>, "public-svg-wg@w3.org Working Group" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>, "www-svg@w3.org list" <www-svg@w3.org>
Hi,
Here are the meeting minutes of 2013/06/13
Greetings,
Dirk
http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html
   [1]W3C
      [1] http://www.w3.org/
                               - DRAFT -
                    SVG Working Group Teleconference
13 Jun 2013
   [2]Agenda
      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0138.html
   See also: [3]IRC log
      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-irc
Attendees
   Present
          Doug_Schepers, +1.425.373.aaaa, [IPcaller], heycam,
          +1.415.832.aabb, krit, Rich, cabanier, nikos_,
          +33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav
   Regrets
          Cyril, Erik
   Chair
          Cameron
   Scribe
          krit
Contents
     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Publication of Compositing and Blending
         2. [6]publishing notes for old specs
         3. [7]WD SVG2
         4. [8]SVG Integration
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
   <nikos_> what's the code?
   <richardschwerdtfeger> i am on mute :-)
   <scribe> ScribeNick: krit
Publication of Compositing and Blending
   cabanier: I added how to create layers in SVG to the spec
   ... by defining the properties that create layers, like
   opacity, transforms
   ... dirk said he wants to have just stacking context for SVG
   and rest of the world
   ... I think we cann still go to WD for now
   heycam: stacking context should be in SVG, but no harm at the
   moment not t have it
   ... the defintion for stacking context is in z-index
   krit: the chapter is just call z-index, but stacking context is
   described independent of it
   cabanier: it is weired, that some properties create stacking
   context in CSS that don't apply to svg like position: fixed
   ... fixed position just applied to HTML
   heycam: CSS thinks it applies to all elements
   cabanier: but position should be a no-op on SVG
   ... it should be written somehwer globaly and not in each
   individual spec
   ... yes, would be nice to have all in one section and
   referenced by all spec
   s
   heycam: do you have a link to the section?
   <cabanier>
   [10]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.h
   tml#csscompositingrules_SVG
     [10] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.html#csscompositingrules_SVG
   cabanier: here is the link
   heycam: ok
   cabanier: the SVG section does not talk about stacking contexrt
   heycam: ok
   ... eventually we will define z-index for SVG and define
   stacking context with it
   ... we should add it to SVG2
   krit: I think that this is not a good idea to wait for SVG2,
   Filter Effects, Masking/Clipping, Blending and Transforms need
   it right now
   cabanier: well, we change the defintion for BackgroundImage
   krit: no we don't
   ... stacking context does not mean anything in SVG
   cabanier: but nothing would change of stacking context
   krit: right, that is why it is not a problem to add it in 1.1
   ... other specification rely on it
   heycam: don't think that ppl have probkems when it is just in
   SVG2
   krit: in the meantime it is unspecified what it means for SVG
   heycam: as it always was
   shepazu: it is to much trouble to get to the process
   ... we could do errata, but has no status and we need to the
   process agains and it seems ....
   ... we worked so much on SVG1.1, we should put it by site and
   move to SVG2
   krit: ppl are confortable with leaving it unspecified til SVG2
   heycam: well, it will be in SVG2 and it is a WD
   shepazu: don't think that implementations are necessarily
   concerned about not relying on REC
   ... we specify the behavior in SVG2
   krit: just don't want to have an unspecified behavior in the
   meantime
   cabanier: the only thing I changed was waht we discussed during
   F2F before the meeting with the CSS WG.
   heycam: you think it is ok?
   cabanier: yes
   RESOLUTION: publish new WD for Compositing and Blending
   no one disagree
   heycam: was background-blend-mode in FPWD?
   cabanier: no
   heycam: there were concerns about background-blend-mode? Can
   you add a note?
   cabanier: property will ship prefixed in next Safari version
   ... it is not prefixed in chrome, but flagged
   … prefix discussion
   heycam: who is publishing?
   cabanier: is CSS sites
   … shepazu misses chris
publishing notes for old specs
   <heycam>
   [11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/
   0019.html
     [11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0019.html
   krit: we have unfinished specs on SVG and would like to know if
   we follow W3C process and publish them as notes, or leave them
   unfinished?
   shepazu: probably a good idea to add a note that we do not
   continue and publish them as notes
   heycam: some are requests some are realy unfinished once
   ... some were not supposed to get spec in the first point
   shepazu: I think we agreed to split color from pagination
   heycam: you are right, and put it into SVG2
   shepazu: and pagination was … too complex for comlplex and the
   simple stuff
   ... was initiziated by Canon but discontinued, so no
   ... why primers and reqs are specs anyway
   ... we shoudl call them notes
   heycam: so we agree that they all should get notes
   krit: I can probably help to prepare them for publication as
   note
   shepazu: no big deal
   krit: but you want to have a little sentence where authors
   should look at now
   shepazu: yes
   heycam: should have an intern in my house
   <scribe> ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for
   discontinued specs [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-3506 - Write up a note text for
   discontinued specs [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
   shepazu: don't think that these specifications need to be noted
   on W3C blogs
WD SVG2
   heycam: we wanted to have a new WD in June
   ... I want to add the stroke dashing thing
   ... we do have the hatching already in there
   ... think there is enough to publish now
   all agree to publish now
   <richardschwerdtfeger> +1
   shepazu: I want that there is nothing stoping us to publish
   next month again if we want to
   RESOLUTION: publish WD SVG2
   <richardschwerdtfeger> thought svg2 was to be pub'd in july but
   ok
   heycam: oops, was for next month. However
   <richardschwerdtfeger> +1 for July
   krit: I am with shepazu t publish again next month if things
   changed
   ... I am just worried that it takes to long to publish and new
   things can not get in
   heycam: there are ways around it, but yeah
   shepazu: heycam if you can get it ready for publication, then I
   can try to push it through
   ... we should not only publish, but tweet about it
   ... I even like to have a pressure of a dead lin
   e
   richardschwerdtfeger: will it be locked down?
   heycam: will generate it, copy the files and send the corrected
   version
   <scribe> ACTION: heycam publish WD [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-3507 - Publish WD [on Cameron
   McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
   <heycam> ACTION-3507: SVG 2
   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-3507 Publish WD.
   <scribe> ACTION: heycam work on his actions [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action03]
   <trackbot> Created ACTION-3508 - Work on his actions [on
   Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
SVG Integration
   krit: suggest to focus at this spec more on current needs
   ... security and integration in secure way
   shepazu: I agree with focusing but disagree that list of
   properties and attributes is out of scope
   ... all the things that you say we don't need comes from use
   cases
   ... ODF did extend SVG in incompatible ways and asked us to
   explain where they are wrong
   ... was relevant at that time
   ... I would be fine if you join as editor
   ... agree on priorites to referencing
   krit: need to work on security model anyway, so I am fine with
   adding editor
   general agreement
   shepazu: some of the things might go in into SVG2
   ... we may start with the security focus
   heycam: what we talked about the last F2F?
   yes
   shepazu: heycam should be an editor as well?
   heycam: just did some changes
   shepazu: still asking you to be an editor since you have done a
   lot of work
   heycam: I am fine with being added
   RESOLUTION: add heycam and krit as editor of SVG Integration
   ... concentrate on refercing and property attribute index on
   SVG Integration
   trackbot, make minutes
   <trackbot> Sorry, krit, I don't understand 'trackbot, make
   minutes'. Please refer to
   <[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
     [15] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc%3E
   heycam: —^ ???
   <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
   [NEW] ACTION: heycam publish WD [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for discontinued
   specs [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: heycam work on his actions [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action03]
   [End of minutes]
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