SVG Meeting minutes 2013/06/13

Hi,

Here are the meeting minutes of 2013/06/13

Greetings,
Dirk

http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html

   [1]W3C

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                               - DRAFT -

                    SVG Working Group Teleconference

13 Jun 2013

   [2]Agenda

      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0138.html

   See also: [3]IRC log

      [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-irc

Attendees

   Present
          Doug_Schepers, +1.425.373.aaaa, [IPcaller], heycam,
          +1.415.832.aabb, krit, Rich, cabanier, nikos_,
          +33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav

   Regrets
          Cyril, Erik

   Chair
          Cameron

   Scribe
          krit

Contents

     * [4]Topics
         1. [5]Publication of Compositing and Blending
         2. [6]publishing notes for old specs
         3. [7]WD SVG2
         4. [8]SVG Integration
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013

   <nikos_> what's the code?

   <richardschwerdtfeger> i am on mute :-)

   <scribe> ScribeNick: krit

Publication of Compositing and Blending

   cabanier: I added how to create layers in SVG to the spec
   ... by defining the properties that create layers, like
   opacity, transforms
   ... dirk said he wants to have just stacking context for SVG
   and rest of the world
   ... I think we cann still go to WD for now

   heycam: stacking context should be in SVG, but no harm at the
   moment not t have it
   ... the defintion for stacking context is in z-index

   krit: the chapter is just call z-index, but stacking context is
   described independent of it

   cabanier: it is weired, that some properties create stacking
   context in CSS that don't apply to svg like position: fixed
   ... fixed position just applied to HTML

   heycam: CSS thinks it applies to all elements

   cabanier: but position should be a no-op on SVG
   ... it should be written somehwer globaly and not in each
   individual spec
   ... yes, would be nice to have all in one section and
   referenced by all spec

   s

   heycam: do you have a link to the section?

   <cabanier>
   [10]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.h
   tml#csscompositingrules_SVG

     [10] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.html#csscompositingrules_SVG

   cabanier: here is the link

   heycam: ok

   cabanier: the SVG section does not talk about stacking contexrt

   heycam: ok
   ... eventually we will define z-index for SVG and define
   stacking context with it
   ... we should add it to SVG2

   krit: I think that this is not a good idea to wait for SVG2,
   Filter Effects, Masking/Clipping, Blending and Transforms need
   it right now

   cabanier: well, we change the defintion for BackgroundImage

   krit: no we don't
   ... stacking context does not mean anything in SVG

   cabanier: but nothing would change of stacking context

   krit: right, that is why it is not a problem to add it in 1.1
   ... other specification rely on it

   heycam: don't think that ppl have probkems when it is just in
   SVG2

   krit: in the meantime it is unspecified what it means for SVG

   heycam: as it always was

   shepazu: it is to much trouble to get to the process
   ... we could do errata, but has no status and we need to the
   process agains and it seems ....
   ... we worked so much on SVG1.1, we should put it by site and
   move to SVG2

   krit: ppl are confortable with leaving it unspecified til SVG2

   heycam: well, it will be in SVG2 and it is a WD

   shepazu: don't think that implementations are necessarily
   concerned about not relying on REC
   ... we specify the behavior in SVG2

   krit: just don't want to have an unspecified behavior in the
   meantime

   cabanier: the only thing I changed was waht we discussed during
   F2F before the meeting with the CSS WG.

   heycam: you think it is ok?

   cabanier: yes

   RESOLUTION: publish new WD for Compositing and Blending

   no one disagree

   heycam: was background-blend-mode in FPWD?

   cabanier: no

   heycam: there were concerns about background-blend-mode? Can
   you add a note?

   cabanier: property will ship prefixed in next Safari version
   ... it is not prefixed in chrome, but flagged

   … prefix discussion

   heycam: who is publishing?

   cabanier: is CSS sites

   … shepazu misses chris

publishing notes for old specs

   <heycam>
   [11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/
   0019.html

     [11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0019.html

   krit: we have unfinished specs on SVG and would like to know if
   we follow W3C process and publish them as notes, or leave them
   unfinished?

   shepazu: probably a good idea to add a note that we do not
   continue and publish them as notes

   heycam: some are requests some are realy unfinished once
   ... some were not supposed to get spec in the first point

   shepazu: I think we agreed to split color from pagination

   heycam: you are right, and put it into SVG2

   shepazu: and pagination was … too complex for comlplex and the
   simple stuff
   ... was initiziated by Canon but discontinued, so no
   ... why primers and reqs are specs anyway
   ... we shoudl call them notes

   heycam: so we agree that they all should get notes

   krit: I can probably help to prepare them for publication as
   note

   shepazu: no big deal

   krit: but you want to have a little sentence where authors
   should look at now

   shepazu: yes

   heycam: should have an intern in my house

   <scribe> ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for
   discontinued specs [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-3506 - Write up a note text for
   discontinued specs [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].

   shepazu: don't think that these specifications need to be noted
   on W3C blogs

WD SVG2

   heycam: we wanted to have a new WD in June
   ... I want to add the stroke dashing thing
   ... we do have the hatching already in there
   ... think there is enough to publish now

   all agree to publish now

   <richardschwerdtfeger> +1

   shepazu: I want that there is nothing stoping us to publish
   next month again if we want to

   RESOLUTION: publish WD SVG2

   <richardschwerdtfeger> thought svg2 was to be pub'd in july but
   ok

   heycam: oops, was for next month. However

   <richardschwerdtfeger> +1 for July

   krit: I am with shepazu t publish again next month if things
   changed
   ... I am just worried that it takes to long to publish and new
   things can not get in

   heycam: there are ways around it, but yeah

   shepazu: heycam if you can get it ready for publication, then I
   can try to push it through
   ... we should not only publish, but tweet about it
   ... I even like to have a pressure of a dead lin

   e

   richardschwerdtfeger: will it be locked down?

   heycam: will generate it, copy the files and send the corrected
   version

   <scribe> ACTION: heycam publish WD [recorded in
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-3507 - Publish WD [on Cameron
   McCormack - due 2013-06-20].

   <heycam> ACTION-3507: SVG 2

   <trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-3507 Publish WD.

   <scribe> ACTION: heycam work on his actions [recorded in
   [14]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-3508 - Work on his actions [on
   Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].

SVG Integration

   krit: suggest to focus at this spec more on current needs
   ... security and integration in secure way

   shepazu: I agree with focusing but disagree that list of
   properties and attributes is out of scope
   ... all the things that you say we don't need comes from use
   cases
   ... ODF did extend SVG in incompatible ways and asked us to
   explain where they are wrong
   ... was relevant at that time
   ... I would be fine if you join as editor
   ... agree on priorites to referencing

   krit: need to work on security model anyway, so I am fine with
   adding editor

   general agreement

   shepazu: some of the things might go in into SVG2
   ... we may start with the security focus

   heycam: what we talked about the last F2F?

   yes

   shepazu: heycam should be an editor as well?

   heycam: just did some changes

   shepazu: still asking you to be an editor since you have done a
   lot of work

   heycam: I am fine with being added

   RESOLUTION: add heycam and krit as editor of SVG Integration
   ... concentrate on refercing and property attribute index on
   SVG Integration

   trackbot, make minutes

   <trackbot> Sorry, krit, I don't understand 'trackbot, make
   minutes'. Please refer to
   <[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

     [15] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc%3E

   heycam: —^ ???

   <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: heycam publish WD [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action02]
   [NEW] ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for discontinued
   specs [recorded in
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: heycam work on his actions [recorded in
   [18]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action03]

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