Re: should we remove the kerning property in favour of font-kerning?

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:34 AM, John Daggett <> wrote:

> Cameron McCormack wrote:
> > > Not sure what you're kvetching about here.  The CSS 'font-kerning'
> > > property enables or disables metrics-based kerning based on kerning
> > > data in the font.  It does not take a length value.  So the two
> > > properties are not equivalent.
> > >
> > > The SVG 'kerning' feature seems designed to allow
> > > character-by-character tweaking.  One sets the 'letter-spacing' for an
> > > entire text span and tweaks individual pairs of letters by wrapping a
> > > span around each pair of characters and applying the appropriate
> relative
> > > adjustment via 'kerning'.  My guess is that this was designed to allow
> > > PDF-like layout where an app spits out a set of characters with
> > > positions.
> > >
> > > The CSS property is only designed to enable/disable font-based
> > > kerning.  It's not designed to support character-by-character tweaking
> > > nor do I think it should.
> >
> > Do you think it is reasonable to use "letter-spacing: 3px; font-kerning:
> > none" in place of "kerning: 3px" for SVG content?  If we are in the
> > situation where we could drop "kerning" in favour of authors using a
> > combination of font-kerning and letter-spacing, should we do that?  Or
> > is letter-spacing something different enough from kerning adjustment
> > that it should be kept separate?
> Right, most of the time that's all that would be needed. The only
> thing you wouldn't be able to do without the 'kerning' property around
> is to be able to use the combined effect of letter-spacing + kerning
> with a fixed length. So the question is whether there's content that
> relies on that use case.
> The SVG kerning property is just an odd thing to me.  Kerning
> adjustments are typically made to pairs of letters (e.g. Ta, To, AV,
> etc.) and that's what font kerning data has, adjustments based on
> glyph combinations.  Generic span-wide adjustments to spacing are
> never called "kerning".
> I would suggest dropping the 'kerning' property.

I agree we should drop it since there is consensus that we're going with
CSS-like capabilities for regular SVG text.
If there is agreement that we should add PDF-like text rendering to SVG,
that feature will always have kerning disabled.


Received on Thursday, 31 May 2012 11:44:09 UTC