- From: Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>
- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:36:31 -0800
- To: "www-svg@w3.org" <www-svg@w3.org>
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Here are the meeting minutes from March 8 2012 of the SVG WG:
http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
08 Mar 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0143.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.415.832.aaaa, +61.2.980.5.aabb, krit, cyril,
+33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav, ed, ChrisL
Regrets
Chair
ed
Scribe
krit
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Finishing SVG 2 Requirements
2. [6]Improved text for fragment identifiers link traversal
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 08 March 2012
dschulze@adobe.com<mailto:dschulze@adobe.com>
<scribe> scribe: krit
scribenic: krit
<scribe> scribenick: krit
ed: first topic time changes
... australia with the latest change?
... 3 weeks time all transit. Then we review chnages to times
cyril: I think we should switch to morning in europe
Tav: doesn't work for the damn americans
<ChrisL> lol
cyril: doesn't work for east coste
cabanier: what about west coast
cyril: haha
Tav: 1h later in europe one hour later in australia last year
<ed>
[8]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=05&day
=01&year=2012&hour=20&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 shows 20.00 UTC May 1, 2012
[8] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=05&day=01&year=2012&hour=20&min=00&sec=0&p1=0
krit: cabanier: 1 hour later is fine for us
<ed> so, sydney 6am... maybe not great
cabanier: 1 earlier is not that good for australia
cyril: we should check with cameron
krit: stay for now?
ed: stay till 3 weeks when all countries switched
cyril: 2 more weeks
ed: keep the time for 2 more weeks
… more discussions about time shift
ed: no decision now?
all: lets stay for the next 2 weeks
resolution: keep the time for 2 weeks
<scribe> ACTION: erik will send a mail for time shift and time
change [recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3245 - Will send a mail for time shift and
time change [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-03-15].
next topic: template for tests
ChrisL: mails on mailing list
<ed>
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/014
2.html
[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0142.html
Tav: cameron said that html tag inside svg and try to add html
inside svg you'' break
ChrisL: cameron suggested a lot more chnages
... he seems to wnat to have a whole new layer
Tav: link and meta are not part of svg
ChrisL: we had a resolution to add them
... anyway we should ask peter
... wecould add it to our svg naemspace
ed: html5's parsing algorithm would break out into html mode if we
didn't parent the link and meta elements inside a foreignobject
ChrisL: it seems to be a clear resolution that al changes might
break html5 parsing. for those test we need something different
Tav: cameron suggestions is a bit simplper
ChrisL: i didn't like it
<ChrisL> I think he has oversimplified and it will loose
functionality
Tav: he is not removing anything
... he just implementes in another way
... he is just not put html5 into ahead
??
Tav: th eproblem with meta tag.
... he still has a data tag
Tach if an html5 parser finds a link in a svg tag
ChrisL: what happens?
Tav: I don't know
ChrisL: html parser don't care about the tags at all
... a framwork in place to start writing tests
... otherwise they don't get it wrten
ed: I prefer simplified structure
... no namespaces
Tav: I agree
ChrisL: we had the test criteria … where did it went?
Tav: the test harness has to be modified to do that
ChrisL: is that in the head and a meta
... simplicity is goood
but
Tav: link to the different parts of the spec
... and which parts it needs to pass
<Tav> [11]http://wiki.csswg.org/test/format
[11] http://wiki.csswg.org/test/format
Tav: test assertions:
ChrisL: it is all in the content attribute
... no markup at all
Tav: above in the spec links, there is a link that tells you what
part of the spec gets tested
ChrisL: thats fine
<cyril> [12]http://w3c-test.org/framework/ seems broken
[12] http://w3c-test.org/framework/
<ed> the tags that break out of "foreign" mode (aka SVG in html):
[13]http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#parsing-main-inforeig
n (link is not among those)
[13] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#parsing-main-inforeign
ChrisL: ok
ed: meta does break out
Tav: link is ok
ed: yes
Tav: you still need sth for the tags
... description is ok
ed: could we use svg metadata element?
[14]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/metadata.html
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/metadata.html
ed: just sth to put test meta data on
... should be fine
ChrisL: would be fine than
... peter should know what we want to do
ed: metadata should replace meta eleemnt
... link lists all the tags that break out
... link element would get unknown svg element
... needs verification
ChrisL: so no other namespace, no head
... just metadata?
<ed>
[15]http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTY
PE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Csvg%3E%0D%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0D%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D
5%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E
[15] http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Csvg%3E%0D%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0D%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D5%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E
ed: I dont see a circle in opera and safari
<ChrisL> <!DOCTYPE html>
<ChrisL> <svg>
<ChrisL> <link/>
<ChrisL> <circle r=200>
ChrisL: I see the circle in FF with this example
Tav: I don't
<ChrisL> ff11beta6
ed: I don't see a circle either
Tav: now I see
... I put a space before the slash
<ed>
[16]http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTY
PE%20html%3E%0A%3Csvg%3E%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D100%20%2F
%3E%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E
[16] http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Csvg%3E%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D100%20%2F%3E%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E
cyril: we should move on
ChrisL: we should have a decision
ed: link is fine
resolution: we will use the link element as proposed. Use metadata
instead of head and meta
<ed> example: instead of <meta name="flags" content="TOKENS" /> we
will use <metadata name="flags" content="TOKENS" />
Tav: what cameron sugeested with metadat
a
Tav: basically
<Tav>
[17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/014
2.html
[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0142.html
ed: something else on his proposal
Tav: yes, the very last thing
... that we diagree too
... other issues with copy right… a list that ChrisL sent
ed: Tav'll send a final proposal to the list
<ChrisL>
[18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements
#Test_SVG_File_Template
[18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements#Test_SVG_File_Template
ed: peter should review
ChrisL: ed can you edit the wiki?
ed: ok
<ChrisL> s/ ed can you edit the wiki?/I am editing the wiki
ChrisL: metadata for flags
?
<ed> <metadata name="flags" content="TOKENS" />
Tav: the desc tag for the text description
ed: should it be long or short descr?
Tav: as long as you need/
ChrisL: if we agree, than we ask peter
Tav: ok
... what about copyright
ed: use BSD for the suite
ChrisL: put the license into one place and link to it
Tav: I agree
<scribe> ACTION: ChrisL will edit the wiki page and mention how to
add license and copyright [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3246 - Will edit the wiki page and mention
how to add license and copyright [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-15].
Tav: what about revision?
... we have version controll system, so no extra revisions
ChrisL: we don't put the number in the file
... not productive to do that
... the same for the test frame
ed: agree
Tav: I tried to add the testing to the rep, but it failed
ed: ChrisLdo you edit the wiki and mention what we do about
revision?
ChrisL: I will
… discussion about problems for Tav to submit stuff
ed: back to the requirements
<ed>
[20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements
#Test_SVG_File_Template
[20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements#Test_SVG_File_Template
ed: resolve accept the structure of tests
<ed> agreed to the section: Structure after 8 March 2012 telcon
ed: anyone against this template?
silence
resolution: Accept the testing template
Finishing SVG 2 Requirements
<cyril>
[21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#X
link_additional_attributes_on_the_.3Ca.3E_element
[21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Xlink_additional_attributes_on_the_.3Ca.3E_element
ChrisL: we should drop xlink on <a>
ed: xlink:role, xlink:arcrole and xlink:title:title might make sense
ChrisL: title element is better than xlink:title
... we should use title element
ed: no strong objections
... fine for ,e
resolution: drop xlink attributes role, arcole, title
<ChrisL> resolution: SVG2 will drop xlink attributes role, arcole,
title
resolution: SVG 2 will drop the xlink attributes role, arcole, title
<ed>
[22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#i
ndicating_links
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#indicating_links
ChrisL: improve text is fine
<cyril>
[23]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-Indica
tingLinks
[23] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-IndicatingLinks
ed: we should keep it, but remove xlink:title from the spec
resolution: SVG 2 will include Improved text for the indicating
links
<ChrisL> resolution: svg2 will port the text from svgt1.2
[24]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-Indica
tingLinks
[24] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-IndicatingLinks
ed: next one
<scribe> new scripting featuress
Improved text for fragment identifiers link traversal
ed: svg tiny is more simple
... on media fragment
... they are not incompatible
<ChrisL> resolution: svg2 will merge the svg1.1se text and the
svgt12 text on fragment identifiers link traversal
<ChrisL> oh and add media fragments
ChrisL: what about media fragments?
ed: we should look at it
... is part of the same feature
... more the same thing
... rephrase resolution?
<ChrisL> ACTION: chrisl to merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment
identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial
images [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3247 - Merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2
fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for
partial images [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-15].
ed: procsessing inline scripts
<ed>
[26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#A
dded_text_for_Processing_Inline_Script
[26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Added_text_for_Processing_Inline_Script
cyril: i expected that there were differences between svg 1.1 and
1.2 tiny
ChrisL: html5 has similar things
... we should compatible to html5
ed: reasonable
ChrisL: we should look at it in detail first
... needs an action
cyril: we already have a resolution for async,. sooo
ed: the section on tiny is very short
... you have to look at the type attribute and so on
... there is nothing similar in SVG 1.1
resolution: SVG 2 will define how inline scriptable content will be
processed, in compatible way to HTML5
<ed>
[27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#s
cript_element_text
[27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#script_element_text
ed: new scriptiing features
... we should port it over 'script element text'
resolution: SVG 2 will merge SVG1.1SE and SVG 1.2 Tiny on script
element text
ed: next one change erik to SVG WG and copy paste resolution on wiki
page
<ed>
[28]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#S
cript_Processing
[28] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Script_Processing
<cyril> RESOLUTION: SVG 2 will use the relevant parts from 1.2T and
align with the html script element.
ed: next is animation
<ed>
[29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#t
he_Animations_chapter
[29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#the_Animations_chapter
<ChrisL> erik: svgt1.2 defines what happens when there are errors in
a begin-value-list
ed: tiny is more specific what to do on attribute for wrong content
resolution: SVG 2 will apply changes of SVG 1.2 tiny on animation
module
... SVG 2 will apply changes from SVG 1.2 tiny to the SVG animation
section
ed: fonts are no modification in tiny
<ed>
[30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#t
he_xlink:href_attribute_on_.3CforeignObject.3E
[30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#the_xlink:href_attribute_on_.3CforeignObject.3E
ed extenisibility we have the xlink:href attribute on foreignObject
krit: do we have the same rules like for iframe if we support
xlink:href?
ed: customers want to use it for some magic things, but basically as
a plugin frame
... it would be fine to have it. resolution?
krit: so. should get an action to check security problems
cabanier: most rules of iframe have to apply here as well
resolution: SVG 2 will support xlink:href on foreignObject element
after security verification
<scribe> ACTION: ed will verify that xlink:href won't introduce
security issues on foreignObject [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3248 - Will verify that xlink:href won't
introduce security issues on foreignObject [on Erik Dahlström - due
2012-03-15].
10 items left + 11 without decision
<ed> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: chrisl to merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment
identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial
images [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: ChrisL will edit the wiki page and mention how to add
license and copyright [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ed will verify that xlink:href won't introduce
security issues on foreignObject [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: erik will send a mail for time shift and time change
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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