- From: Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>
- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:36:31 -0800
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Here are the meeting minutes from March 8 2012 of the SVG WG: http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 08 Mar 2012 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0143.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-irc Attendees Present +1.415.832.aaaa, +61.2.980.5.aabb, krit, cyril, +33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav, ed, ChrisL Regrets Chair ed Scribe krit Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Finishing SVG 2 Requirements 2. [6]Improved text for fragment identifiers link traversal * [7]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 08 March 2012 dschulze@adobe.com<mailto:dschulze@adobe.com> <scribe> scribe: krit scribenic: krit <scribe> scribenick: krit ed: first topic time changes ... australia with the latest change? ... 3 weeks time all transit. Then we review chnages to times cyril: I think we should switch to morning in europe Tav: doesn't work for the damn americans <ChrisL> lol cyril: doesn't work for east coste cabanier: what about west coast cyril: haha Tav: 1h later in europe one hour later in australia last year <ed> [8]http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=05&day =01&year=2012&hour=20&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 shows 20.00 UTC May 1, 2012 [8] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=05&day=01&year=2012&hour=20&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 krit: cabanier: 1 hour later is fine for us <ed> so, sydney 6am... maybe not great cabanier: 1 earlier is not that good for australia cyril: we should check with cameron krit: stay for now? ed: stay till 3 weeks when all countries switched cyril: 2 more weeks ed: keep the time for 2 more weeks … more discussions about time shift ed: no decision now? all: lets stay for the next 2 weeks resolution: keep the time for 2 weeks <scribe> ACTION: erik will send a mail for time shift and time change [recorded in [9]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3245 - Will send a mail for time shift and time change [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-03-15]. next topic: template for tests ChrisL: mails on mailing list <ed> [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/014 2.html [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0142.html Tav: cameron said that html tag inside svg and try to add html inside svg you'' break ChrisL: cameron suggested a lot more chnages ... he seems to wnat to have a whole new layer Tav: link and meta are not part of svg ChrisL: we had a resolution to add them ... anyway we should ask peter ... wecould add it to our svg naemspace ed: html5's parsing algorithm would break out into html mode if we didn't parent the link and meta elements inside a foreignobject ChrisL: it seems to be a clear resolution that al changes might break html5 parsing. for those test we need something different Tav: cameron suggestions is a bit simplper ChrisL: i didn't like it <ChrisL> I think he has oversimplified and it will loose functionality Tav: he is not removing anything ... he just implementes in another way ... he is just not put html5 into ahead ?? Tav: th eproblem with meta tag. ... he still has a data tag Tach if an html5 parser finds a link in a svg tag ChrisL: what happens? Tav: I don't know ChrisL: html parser don't care about the tags at all ... a framwork in place to start writing tests ... otherwise they don't get it wrten ed: I prefer simplified structure ... no namespaces Tav: I agree ChrisL: we had the test criteria … where did it went? Tav: the test harness has to be modified to do that ChrisL: is that in the head and a meta ... simplicity is goood but Tav: link to the different parts of the spec ... and which parts it needs to pass <Tav> [11]http://wiki.csswg.org/test/format [11] http://wiki.csswg.org/test/format Tav: test assertions: ChrisL: it is all in the content attribute ... no markup at all Tav: above in the spec links, there is a link that tells you what part of the spec gets tested ChrisL: thats fine <cyril> [12]http://w3c-test.org/framework/ seems broken [12] http://w3c-test.org/framework/ <ed> the tags that break out of "foreign" mode (aka SVG in html): [13]http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#parsing-main-inforeig n (link is not among those) [13] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#parsing-main-inforeign ChrisL: ok ed: meta does break out Tav: link is ok ed: yes Tav: you still need sth for the tags ... description is ok ed: could we use svg metadata element? [14]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/metadata.html [14] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/metadata.html ed: just sth to put test meta data on ... should be fine ChrisL: would be fine than ... peter should know what we want to do ed: metadata should replace meta eleemnt ... link lists all the tags that break out ... link element would get unknown svg element ... needs verification ChrisL: so no other namespace, no head ... just metadata? <ed> [15]http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTY PE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Csvg%3E%0D%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0D%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D 5%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E [15] http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0D%0A%3Csvg%3E%0D%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0D%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D5%2F%3E%0D%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E ed: I dont see a circle in opera and safari <ChrisL> <!DOCTYPE html> <ChrisL> <svg> <ChrisL> <link/> <ChrisL> <circle r=200> ChrisL: I see the circle in FF with this example Tav: I don't <ChrisL> ff11beta6 ed: I don't see a circle either Tav: now I see ... I put a space before the slash <ed> [16]http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTY PE%20html%3E%0A%3Csvg%3E%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D100%20%2F %3E%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E [16] http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/?%3C!DOCTYPE%20html%3E%0A%3Csvg%3E%0A%3Clink%2F%3E%0A%3Ccircle%20r%3D100%20%2F%3E%0A%3C%2Fsvg%3E cyril: we should move on ChrisL: we should have a decision ed: link is fine resolution: we will use the link element as proposed. Use metadata instead of head and meta <ed> example: instead of <meta name="flags" content="TOKENS" /> we will use <metadata name="flags" content="TOKENS" /> Tav: what cameron sugeested with metadat a Tav: basically <Tav> [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/014 2.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0142.html ed: something else on his proposal Tav: yes, the very last thing ... that we diagree too ... other issues with copy right… a list that ChrisL sent ed: Tav'll send a final proposal to the list <ChrisL> [18]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements #Test_SVG_File_Template [18] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements#Test_SVG_File_Template ed: peter should review ChrisL: ed can you edit the wiki? ed: ok <ChrisL> s/ ed can you edit the wiki?/I am editing the wiki ChrisL: metadata for flags ? <ed> <metadata name="flags" content="TOKENS" /> Tav: the desc tag for the text description ed: should it be long or short descr? Tav: as long as you need/ ChrisL: if we agree, than we ask peter Tav: ok ... what about copyright ed: use BSD for the suite ChrisL: put the license into one place and link to it Tav: I agree <scribe> ACTION: ChrisL will edit the wiki page and mention how to add license and copyright [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3246 - Will edit the wiki page and mention how to add license and copyright [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-15]. Tav: what about revision? ... we have version controll system, so no extra revisions ChrisL: we don't put the number in the file ... not productive to do that ... the same for the test frame ed: agree Tav: I tried to add the testing to the rep, but it failed ed: ChrisLdo you edit the wiki and mention what we do about revision? ChrisL: I will … discussion about problems for Tav to submit stuff ed: back to the requirements <ed> [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements #Test_SVG_File_Template [20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2/Testing_Requirements#Test_SVG_File_Template ed: resolve accept the structure of tests <ed> agreed to the section: Structure after 8 March 2012 telcon ed: anyone against this template? silence resolution: Accept the testing template Finishing SVG 2 Requirements <cyril> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#X link_additional_attributes_on_the_.3Ca.3E_element [21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Xlink_additional_attributes_on_the_.3Ca.3E_element ChrisL: we should drop xlink on <a> ed: xlink:role, xlink:arcrole and xlink:title:title might make sense ChrisL: title element is better than xlink:title ... we should use title element ed: no strong objections ... fine for ,e resolution: drop xlink attributes role, arcole, title <ChrisL> resolution: SVG2 will drop xlink attributes role, arcole, title resolution: SVG 2 will drop the xlink attributes role, arcole, title <ed> [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#i ndicating_links [22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#indicating_links ChrisL: improve text is fine <cyril> [23]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-Indica tingLinks [23] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-IndicatingLinks ed: we should keep it, but remove xlink:title from the spec resolution: SVG 2 will include Improved text for the indicating links <ChrisL> resolution: svg2 will port the text from svgt1.2 [24]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-Indica tingLinks [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/single-page.html#linking-IndicatingLinks ed: next one <scribe> new scripting featuress Improved text for fragment identifiers link traversal ed: svg tiny is more simple ... on media fragment ... they are not incompatible <ChrisL> resolution: svg2 will merge the svg1.1se text and the svgt12 text on fragment identifiers link traversal <ChrisL> oh and add media fragments ChrisL: what about media fragments? ed: we should look at it ... is part of the same feature ... more the same thing ... rephrase resolution? <ChrisL> ACTION: chrisl to merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial images [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3247 - Merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial images [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-03-15]. ed: procsessing inline scripts <ed> [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#A dded_text_for_Processing_Inline_Script [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Added_text_for_Processing_Inline_Script cyril: i expected that there were differences between svg 1.1 and 1.2 tiny ChrisL: html5 has similar things ... we should compatible to html5 ed: reasonable ChrisL: we should look at it in detail first ... needs an action cyril: we already have a resolution for async,. sooo ed: the section on tiny is very short ... you have to look at the type attribute and so on ... there is nothing similar in SVG 1.1 resolution: SVG 2 will define how inline scriptable content will be processed, in compatible way to HTML5 <ed> [27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#s cript_element_text [27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#script_element_text ed: new scriptiing features ... we should port it over 'script element text' resolution: SVG 2 will merge SVG1.1SE and SVG 1.2 Tiny on script element text ed: next one change erik to SVG WG and copy paste resolution on wiki page <ed> [28]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#S cript_Processing [28] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#Script_Processing <cyril> RESOLUTION: SVG 2 will use the relevant parts from 1.2T and align with the html script element. ed: next is animation <ed> [29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#t he_Animations_chapter [29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#the_Animations_chapter <ChrisL> erik: svgt1.2 defines what happens when there are errors in a begin-value-list ed: tiny is more specific what to do on attribute for wrong content resolution: SVG 2 will apply changes of SVG 1.2 tiny on animation module ... SVG 2 will apply changes from SVG 1.2 tiny to the SVG animation section ed: fonts are no modification in tiny <ed> [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#t he_xlink:href_attribute_on_.3CforeignObject.3E [30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/SVG2_Requirements_Input#the_xlink:href_attribute_on_.3CforeignObject.3E ed extenisibility we have the xlink:href attribute on foreignObject krit: do we have the same rules like for iframe if we support xlink:href? ed: customers want to use it for some magic things, but basically as a plugin frame ... it would be fine to have it. resolution? krit: so. should get an action to check security problems cabanier: most rules of iframe have to apply here as well resolution: SVG 2 will support xlink:href on foreignObject element after security verification <scribe> ACTION: ed will verify that xlink:href won't introduce security issues on foreignObject [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3248 - Will verify that xlink:href won't introduce security issues on foreignObject [on Erik Dahlström - due 2012-03-15]. 10 items left + 11 without decision <ed> trackbot, end telcon Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: chrisl to merge the svg1.1se and svgt1.2 fragment identifier text and consider adding in media fragments for partial images [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: ChrisL will edit the wiki page and mention how to add license and copyright [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: ed will verify that xlink:href won't introduce security issues on foreignObject [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: erik will send a mail for time shift and time change [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [36]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([37]CVS log) $Date: 2012/03/08 21:33:31 $ _________________________________________________________ [36] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [37] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.136 of Date: 2011/05/12 12:01:43 Check for newer version at [38]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [38] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/weels/weeks/ Succeeded: s/html5 might break the parsing algorithm there/html5's pars ing algorithm would break out into html mode if we didn't parent the li nk and meta elements inside a foreignobject/ Succeeded: s/it// Succeeded: s/safaro/safari/ Succeeded: s/cyril/Tav/ Succeeded: s/ed: i'll send a final proposal to the list/ed: Tav'll send a final proposal to the list/ FAILED: s/ ed can you edit the wiki?/I am editing the wiki/ Succeeded: s/defs/desc/ Succeeded: s/xlink/xlink:role, xlink:arcrole and xlink:title/ Succeeded: s/resolution: drop xlink attributes/resolution: drop xlink a ttributes role, arcole, title/ Succeeded: s/test/text/ Succeeded: s/function/features/ Succeeded: s/eirk/erik/ Succeeded: s/for customization/for some magic things, but basically as a plugin frame/ Succeeded: s/fo/foreignObject/ Found Scribe: krit Inferring ScribeNick: krit Found ScribeNick: krit Default Present: +1.415.832.aaaa, +61.2.980.5.aabb, krit, cyril, +33.9. 53.77.aacc, Tav, ed, ChrisL Present: +1.415.832.aaaa +61.2.980.5.aabb krit cyril +33.9.53.77.aacc T av ed ChrisL Agenda: [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMa r/0143.html Found Date: 08 Mar 2012 Guessing minutes URL: [40]http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html People with action items: chrisl ed erik [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2012JanMar/0143.html [40] http://www.w3.org/2012/03/08-svg-minutes.html WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. 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