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- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 15:47:12 +0200
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Minutes below: http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 24 Jul 2012 [2]Agenda [2] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_Paris_2012/Agenda#Agenda See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-irc Attendees Present +1.206.675.aaaa, Tav Regrets Chair ed Scribe birtles, ChrisL, krit, cabanier Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Marker proposal review 2. [6]Revised text layout proposal 3. [7]white spaces edits in SVG 4. [8]SVG in Web IDL 5. [9]Quick question about mask: <funciri> auto * [10]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2012 <Tav> Telephone? <birtles> scribenick: birtles Marker proposal review <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL <birtles> [11]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#Markers [11] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#Markers <birtles> CM: I want to go through the marker part of the spec <birtles> ... some might need changing <birtles> ... I've rewritten that hold section using fewer words <birtles> .... I've defined different types of markers <birtles> ... four kinds: (1) vertex markers <birtles> ... you can do this currently <birtles> ... (2) segment markers, this is a new one <birtles> ... they place markers at the centre of the path segment <birtles> ... (3) repeating markers <birtles> ... specify a pattern like a dash to repeat markers at fixed distances along the patah <ed> scribenick: birtles UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: (4) position markers ... use markers as a child of a path element ... at fixed positions <heycam> [12]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#MarkerSegmentPro perty [12] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#MarkerSegmentProperty UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: this is (2), similar to marker-mid ... but in the middle of the edge ED: what happens if you have a zero-length segment ? CM: I think it's defined but I would expect it to paint DS: what about a zero-length path? CM: I think it won't paint ... marker-mids render on zero-length segments right? ... so in keeping with that you'd do the same here ... and render even for zero-length segments DS: what does that mean? ... so in order for it to render you have to have at least one segment of non zero-length? ... so an empty path doesn't render CM: right ... someone pointed out they'd prefer not to have a discontinuity as segments get shorter and shorter ... they shouldn't suddenly disappear ED: what about only rendering if the segment length is longer than some length? CM: that's an interesting idea DS: could be a property CM: apart from that marker segments aren't too complicated ... but marker patterns (3) are more interesting <heycam> [13]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#RepeatingMarkers [13] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#RepeatingMarkers CM: in Hamburg we discussed this ... talked about having a feature where you could say "skip to the next vertex" ... but after thinking about that it didn't seem that useful to me ... and if you want things on edges and vertices then you can use the other properties TA: looks good to me CM: one thing you may want to do ... is stretch out the marker pattern so that it's an even number of markers along the path ... perhaps the pathLength attribute could affect the distances in the marker pattern? ... like with dash arrays ... so we should get that for free by using pathLength ... the lengths you specify in this property would be proportions of the pathLength if you specify that property DS: what's the big difference between marker and marker-pattern CM: the existing markers can only be positioned on the vertices ... but this lets you put them by distance along the path DS: if I click on one of these markers what happens? CM: these ones (1)-(3) are the same, you can't click on them ... that don't have a unique ID ... so you won't know which one you clicked on ... but the positioned markers (4) do allow you to do that <heycam> [14]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#MarkerElement [14] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#MarkerElement CM: there is an example of positioned markers in the element section ... at the end of that subsection ... below the attribute definitions ... you could use this for putting arbitrary patterns on a path ... the item marked "the cross" in example 1 in the spec ... in this example there are some marker children ... and the reason they are positioned markers and not regular markers using the referencing scheme discussed yesterday is the position attribute ... as well as the position attribute I've added an href attribute ... since you might want to reference some existing marker definition ... rather than duplicating it ... in that example, there's <marker href="#Square" ... /> DS: why no just use <use>? CM: because then how do you know it's a marker?/ ... I used a calc since we should be allowing calc wherever we allow lengths ... that is, we should be allowing CSS lengths CC: how does this work this the proposal we discussed yesterday ... where marker children become regular markers? CM: well, a marker could serve both purposes ... a child marker could simultaneously by referenced from marker-mid, marker-segment ... as well as being a positioned marker by having a position attribute ... whether it is a positioned attribute or not is dependent solely on whether or not it has a position attribute RC: so a marker that doesn't have an href, has no refX, refY? CM: there is a default value ... 0,0 ... my example there should have a refX ... the thing with the positioned markers is that you can put event listeners on those markers CL: it would be worth calling that out CM: yes, I have an issue to do that DS: I like it CM: re clipping, the problem was we wanted to specify parts of the underlying path to knock out ... e.g. so it doesn't appear around the edge of the arrow head ... so I tried to make it easier to compute a single clipping path to apply when rendering the whole path element <Tav> [15]http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/ [15] http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/ TB: I think it would work better if you specify a clipping path relative to the marker ... I have some examples of that ... you define the marker and you define a clipping path relative to that CM: clipping paths normally specify the part you preserve rather than the part you remove DS: I'd like to revisit that CM: one issue is if you have a bunch of markers that overlap ... it would be nice if you could in the implementation, treat it as a clipping path you apply before painting ... if each clipping path specifies the area you want to remove ... the implementation has to compute the inverse of that ... which might tricky but probably possible DS: do you want the author or implementation to calculate it? ... it makes sense for the implementation to do it for simple cases ... but for complex cases it doesn't CM: I'm ok with the author specifying the clip path CC: Figure 13, with knock out ... you have two paths joining ... and you specify marker start and end ... how many line segments do you have in these examples? CM: 1 DS: these are shapes being cut out ... each of these labelled sections is a path ... and there's a knockout for those CM: to make it easy to calculate intersection of shapes ... I limited it to some simple shapes ... it makes the computation easier for calculating intersections ... so I specified the two halves of the shape you're knocking out separately CL: can left and right be different? CM: yes CC: what is the syntax CM: it's underneath DS: why can't the path in the mask be the clipping-path? CL: I think that's common, e.g. the path plus 3px CM: I think that's common but also I think these shapes are useful TB: how does this affect the fill on the path CM: I haven't quite worked that out yet ... but you could either have this knockout the fill or not or make it controllable DS: can Tav's proposal also solve the problem? CM: yes CC: it would be nice to have more drawings in the spec about how the triangle etc. are drawn DS: if I clicked on one of these knockout areas what happens? CM: I assume we do the same as clip-path, i.e. it doesn't hit the element DS: ok, we should make that explicit CM: if we allow the author to specify arbitrary paths for the area you want to remove ... or the area to include from the marker ... what you need to end up with is a clipping path as we currently have it ... that you can apply before painting ... if you do that manually you need a big rect to cover the bbox ... plus a reverse path for the section you want to remove <ed> would be nice to have an example like this: ->>- CM: you have to get the clipping path in that form ... unless you want to turn it into a mask (which would be slower) ... so you need to get the clipping path in that form (everything included except some bit) ... but you don't want the author to have to specify that ... since, for a start, the author doesn't know how big the path will be ... so you could allow the author to just specify the bit to remove ... or they specify the bit they want to include ... and the implementation computes the reverse shape ... and I'd rather not require implementations compute the reverse shape ... to make it easiest for the author you want them to specify some part of the shape ... but the implementation has to calculate the overall clipping path ... and that's what I was trying to help with by using these predefined shapes ... makes it easy for the implementation to do intersection detection DirkS: so you can calculate it rather than asking the graphics library CM: it's a lot simpler than bezier curves ... I'm not sure if this is the best way DougS: what if I don't want to specify a knockout shape ... would the default be the bbox of the shape? CM: bbox would work for some things like arrows ... but not for many other things DougS: I think for other cases you use the knockout shapes ... but having a default be bbox it takes the burden off authors from having to specify anything at all ... perhaps "auto" = bbox ? <Zakim> ChrisL, you wanted to ask about child(n) and to consider a keyword that takes the stroke width CL: I was wondering if would be useful to have a keyword that means the width of the stroke ... since I think that would be one of the most common knockout cases CM: that's the most you need to clip out is up to the width of the stroke DougS: yes, that might be more common than bbox CM: if you're clipping out a square that is exactly the height of the stroke ... you need to be careful that you do actually do cover the whole stroke ... if you specify the clipping path you have the be careful you don't run into precision issues DougS: what happens if the stroke comes back again under the marker ... what happens to that new bit of stroke? CM: I think unless you want to split up the path into multiple sections ... if you set up a single clipping path before you draw the path ... you'll have problems ... at least, if you the area you're knocking out goes beyond the marker shape DirkS: paths are 1-D, so you apply the clipping path to the whole path CM: if you want overlapping behaviour, like the overlapping road example, you have to split the path DirkS: should the knockout area for a marker on a curved part of the stroke also follow the curve? CM: good question ... I think there are cases where the marker should be distorted and cases where it shouldn't (e.g. subway circle) ... if the marker is empty and you just want to remove some part of the path ... then you probably do want the knockout area to be curved CC: this knockout property seems to make a different between left and right ... but so far markers don't make that distinction CM: the shape of your marker might not be symmetrical ... so you might want to knockout out different shapes on different sides when the marker is in the middle of the path ED: is the rendering order defined? CM: yes, it's defined ... marker-start, alternating, segment vertex, marker-patterns, children etc. TA: why left / right? ... start / end? CM: sounds good <ed> ah, found it... [16]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#MarkerAlgorithm [16] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/painting.html#MarkerAlgorithm CM: when we publish the spec, is it ok to keep this part in? All: yes, leave it in Break time, 15mins <krit> nickScribe: krit <krit> scribeNick: krit Revised text layout proposal heycam: Wanted to reduce the amount tha I presented in Hamburg <ed> [17]http://people.mozilla.org/~cmccormack/temp/text.pdf [17] http://people.mozilla.org/~cmccormack/temp/text.pdf heycam: I want to give the proposals and let people say yes or no ... one: make it easier to integrate text layout ... text is chucked on abs. pos. at the moment ... each chuck is independent for shaping ... each chunk almost a different text element ... (has presentation on slides) <ChrisL> relevant CSS work - line layout module [18]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-linebox/ [18] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-linebox/ heycam: chunking affects how ordering happens, make it more difficult to reuse text layout ... text elements should be blocks and child elements as spans ... chunks won't stop shaping accross elements ... absolute pos. happens once you got text layout <ChrisL> also writing modes module [19]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/ [19] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-writing-modes/ heycam: SVG allows specifying it by each glyph at the moment AS what happens when you have liguaritures heycam: there are rules in the spec how to apply chars into a glyph ... and how to ignore ... We still need to solve the char to glyph mapping before applying chunks ... evrything should happen across a text element as a whole ... what happens if you specify some pos. but other glyphs don't have a pos? ... I think we should specify that glyphs without pos should be relative positioned to previous glyph fi n a l exampl fi ligurature x="100 1550 200" fi 100 n 150 a 200 sorry wrong fi 100 n 200 a = 212 l = 224 AS: luguature should break in roman text Cyril: I miss the explaination why 150 is not used heycam: that is what spec says currecntly, skip it <Tav> telephone? <ChrisL> we need to allow the flexibility of per-font defaults for discretionary ligatures <ChrisL> note that this changed recently in css3 fonts no heycam: I think it might make sense ChrisL: don't disallow positioning ligatures heycam: what is the default value? ChrisL: do what the font says ... we agreed not to overwrite it ... or switch them of ... svg says, if chars have a pos, glyphs shouldn't ligatures heycam: if more than one pos, is specified you get behavior questional ligatures won't be formed ChrisL: should say may not formed, dependent what the font says AS: it is up to the font ... I would not expect to form ligatures, but think ChrisL is right. It depends on the font heycam: do the CSS layout first ... for the x positions you can not really say how it affects the font <ChrisL> see [20]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/#font-variant-ligatures- prop [20] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-fonts/#font-variant-ligatures-prop AS: right, so you can't rely on the ligature forming ... We shouldn't let it to the font to decide <ChrisL> Initial: normal <ChrisL> A value of �normal� implies that the defaults set by the font are used. ChrisL: we have to see what the font syas ... initial value is normal - do what the font says heycam: pos should not influence if ligatures should be formed ChrisL: AS: agree ... It gives you more flexibiity heycam: you can't know as an author which chars get a glyph ... after positioning anchoring ... I won't change how anchoring worsk ... the current behavior stays, fi and nal get anchored ... at 100 and 200 ed: end anchoring might be difficult ... basically wondering what happens heycam: text-anchor is end ... you got 2 chunks ... first chung single glyph ... you should look at all glyphs within a chunk, and look at the very right or left chunk (dependent on ltr) and shift it from there <ed> <text x="100 200" text-anchor="end">ABCDE</text> (and the same with BIDI) heycam: ltr text ... right edge of A would be 100, BCD on its's left Eat 200 ed: browsers don't do the same think heycam: I think the spec is clear about that ed: what if text was rtl heycam: you would have the left edge of the A at 200 ... you look at the left edge of all glyphs ... A is on the most left ... x should give you exactly the anchor position Cyril: for my understanding: ltr example ... step one apply CSS layout? heycam: yes ... lets say fi is a ligature ... then the described behavior is what UAs are doing ... in simple cases it gives you same results ... I show more complicated cases <text x="300 100">1nab</text> heycam: 1. perfm css layout and find glyph pos ... n 1 a b ... 20,10,20,32 ChrisL: what you show is the backing store \ heycam: mark up is visual order <ChrisL> alef and bet are the two letters, btw - see [21]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet [21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_alphabet heycam: normal position n and 1 are hebrew heycam: 2. preform CSS layout and find glyph pos ... n is at 200 ... 1 is at 100 ... a at 110 ... b at 122 ... a and b calculated according to pref pos ... 1 ab n ... old behavior 1ab n ... I want to change SVG behvaior AS: 1 and n are rtl ... ab would be pos to the right of n heycam: I think my proposal makes it possible just to look at last char in memory Cyril: english hebrew english ... ——> <—— ------> ... english he___brew english ... don't want to have second english word pos between hebrew chunks krit: I think positioning of glyphs is stupid ... we should deprecate it heycam: well, it is complicated ... at least my proposal is simple to implement ... look from left to right, shift all position <cabanier> slide deck: [22]http://people.mozilla.org/~cmccormack/temp/text.pdf [22] http://people.mozilla.org/~cmccormack/temp/text.pdf heycam: Opera renders the example correctly according to the current spec krit: can we deprecate it? heycam: yes ... but we need to specify how the deprecated feature is supposed to work krit: :P heycam: have no strong feeling disabling anchoring all together ... propably not important ChrisL: you have a backing store of glyphs and order them in rendering order ... where does text-anchor: none go <ChrisL> the slides are confusing the source display and the backing store order - slides could be improved for clarity there heycam: have to check anchoring: none, but I think it is an unimportant case ... undefined behavior in the spec t the moment: <textPath>…</textPath>TextAfterTextPath ... where should it ogo? ... the bottom left of the text path should be relevant for positioning text after textpath ... we should relax some restictions and allow x,y on textpath ... it just translates the content by transforming the space of the text path ... we should also allow textpath in tspan ... summary, di what CSS is doing and apply SVG on top of it shepazu: Can we have a resolution to make textPath element as top level element (not surrounded by text element)? general agreement to do so RESOLUTION: textPath must not surrounded by text element anymore. <ed> [23]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/text.html#WhiteSpace [23] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/text.html#WhiteSpace ChrisL: I edited the section about white space handling s/RESOLUTION: textPath not needed to be surrounded by text element anymore./RESOLUTION: textPath not needed to be surrounded by text element anymore. Cyril: I think I am fine with the proposal ... but am concerned about the complexity of the basic thing ... Is it still from the same complexity as before? heycam: depends on you implementation of the text rendering ... I don't think that you need to implement all the CSS now ... it is quite unprecise in some cases anyway <ChrisL> it is the linebox and writing-modes and text modules of CSS3 <ChrisL> see [24]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/ for links to those [24] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/ heycam: you don't have to worry about the whole CSS box model. And the CSS text layout isn't much greater than it is currently krit: CSS is a requirement anyway Cyril: I am thinking about the cost to implement it ChrisL: It does things for browsers easier, but for sure more complicated fot viewers without CSS engine heycam: I can put current proposal into the spec and ask if it makes sense. ... I tried to make it simple ... I think it is easy to implement it ... I can ask Mozilla people as well RESOLUTION: Add Camerons proposal to spec and ask for wider feedback white spaces edits in SVG <ChrisL> [25]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/text.html#WhiteSpace [25] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/text.html#WhiteSpace ChrisL: previously whitespace was notgood and complicated ... we removed tests from test suite ... I kept it in ... for legacy ... white space handling is using whitespece-property now ... added it to the spec ... added a third section for old and new whitespaces ... and how to do both ... I felt it needs to be adressed heycam: not hane any XML white space behavior and use property to select whitespace behavior ... there are still differences ... but should be mostly the same, inore differences and switch over to white-space: normal and pre ... I have implemented it using a UI style sheet rule shepazu: we are not talking about word breaking heycam: ChrisL: yes we are s/word breaking/collapsing/ ? ChrisL: I think we want pre-wrap heycam: CSS people already splitting out whit space collapsing ... If white space is normal I would like to wrap if the width attribute is specified on the text element ... width attribute is new for text TabAtkins_: how far do we want to go? We want to have <p> in SVG anyway krit: use cases might be different ChrisL: that is right [26]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#white-space [26] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#white-space <ChrisL> [27]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#soft-wrap-opportunity [27] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-text/#soft-wrap-opportunity ChrisL: it is just using space collapsing ... I think we agree that we want to remove things from the XML ns. <scribe> ACTION: ChrisL to work out things on removing XML ns stuff on text and figure things out with the CSS WG [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3323 - Work out things on removing XML ns stuff on text and figure things out with the CSS WG [on Chris Lilley - due 2012-07-31]. <ChrisL> action-3323? <trackbot> ACTION-3323 -- Chris Lilley to work out things on removing XML ns stuff on text and figure things out with the CSS WG -- due 2012-07-31 -- OPEN <trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/3323 [29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/3323 <ed> -- 15 min break -- <cabanier> scribenick: cabanier <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL <scribe> scribenick: cabanier <ed> [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/IDL_interf ace_reorganization [30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/IDL_interface_reorganization SVG in Web IDL CM: I propose to redo the SVG idl [31]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/IDL_interf ace_reorganization [31] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/IDL_interface_reorganization …turn "stylable", "locatable" and "transformable" in actual element …SVGtransformable is inherited the most WebIDL doesn't support multiple inheritance …there is nothing too contraversial …I do propose to get of the SVG namespace. move away from XML lang …there is only a couple of elements that you can't use the properties on …if you use xml lang on animate, it's not going to have any effect TA: it negotiates fonts. …for different languages BB: ElementTimeControl will it disappear all together? CM: yes BB: this is how I test for SMIL support. We might break content if we remove interfaces … gecko and webkit support it. Opera doesn't CM: I can leave it in. BB: not sure if there's content that relies on it ... I can change my content CC: in some case you remove multiple inheritance by merging. In others they implement. I don't understand how you made the decision CM: take SVGFitToViewBox. SVGSVGElement needs it and a couple of others. …SVGSVGElement we want to be able to transform but not SVGMarker CC: the solution to multiple inheritance DS: why not multiple inheritance? CM: because JavaScript doesn't support it …there is a difference between 'implements' and 'inherits' … implements is a new copy of the function while inherits is the same … the reason SVGGraphicsElement and SVGDefinitionElement are introduced because it's a good place to hang the mixed in interface instead of the more specific from the spec: "Having these two interfaces gives us a place to mix in other common interfaces (like SVGTests) without having to do it on each sub-interface." … this is how we might reorganize the interfaces … Jen, don't you use WebIDL directly J: not sure about that CM: any questions? All: no resolution: we will adopt Cameron's proposal for Proposals/IDL interface reorganization CM: let's move SVGStylable up to the SVGElement All: agreed BB: so get rid of stylable element? all: yes BB: that's great resolution: we will get rid of SVGStylableElement <scribe> ACTION: Cameron to do all this interface stuff (Proposals/IDL interface reorganization) [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3324 - Do all this interface stuff (Proposals/IDL interface reorganization) [on Cameron McCormack - due 2012-07-31]. CM: can we get rid of externalresourcesrequired? all: what's it for? BB: it should line up with DOMContentLoaded all: yes CL: people wanted that if one resource doesn't load, nothing should load CC: externalresourcesrequired was more granular since it worked per group and we especially helpful for fonts … but I don't think anyone implements or use it DS/ED: we believe that is true ED: Opera implements it, but eRR isn't used much DS: are there cases where this is useful? BB: if that's true, we should do it for HTML as well. resolution: remove ExternalResourcesRequired from the spec CM: That's all for the IDL talk BB does a demo of an animation application written in SVG BB: having viewbox as a property would be very helpful in conjunction with media queries CM: is viewbox the CSS name? css syntax: svg { viewbox: 0 0 240px 240px; } <ed> ick, why the units? <ChrisL> because CSS CM: does it make sense to non-svg? DS: such as iframe <ChrisL> can the units be optional? TA: yes, just iframe establishes a viewport <ed> if we allow units, then we should allow units in the viewbox attribute too, but sure, that follows from making it a presentation attribute I guess... <heycam> ed, agreed fixed CSS syntax: svg { view-box: 0 0 240px 240px; } <ed> calc too? <heycam> of course <ed> people are probably already writing "viewbox" in html-with-inline-svg, and "viewBox" in svg... and then "view-box"? DS: this seems to be a very nice feature in combination with auto scaling …there is a question with auto … what happens when things move around? content will start growing/shrinking DirkS: then you should absolute coordinates …should we apply to HTML as well? TA: HTML and iframe create a viewbox resolution: convert viewbox to a property and give it an 'auto' characteristic <scribe> ACTION: Tab Atkins to take HTML and Iframe view-box property to the CSS working group [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3325 - Atkins to take HTML and Iframe view-box property to the CSS working group [on Tab Atkins Jr. - due 2012-07-31]. <scribe> ACTION: brian birtles to write up a proposal for view-box property for SVG [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-3326 - Birtles to write up a proposal for view-box property for SVG [on Brian Birtles - due 2012-07-31]. Quick question about mask: <funciri> auto BB: in the case you have a mask property, let the mask decide what it is: luminance or alpha <birtles> current syntax proposal: [ <funciri> | child | element(<compound-selector>) | none ] [ luminance | alpha | auto ]? … auto means do what the mask says … but if you point it to an image, what should it be? <ChrisL> you need to be able to choose either RC: it seems that you should get luminance DirkS: I think it should be alpha CL: people that want alpha point to a grayscale. I have a feeling that it should be alpha <ChrisL> alpha alpha alpha, ra ra ra resolution: alpha is chosen when selection 'auto' is set and mask is pointed to an image ... the property alpha/luminosity wins when pointing to a mask element Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: brian birtles to write up a proposal for view-box property for SVG [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Cameron to do all this interface stuff (Proposals/IDL interface reorganization) [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: ChrisL to work out things on removing XML ns stuff on text and figure things out with the CSS WG [recorded in [37]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Tab Atkins to take HTML and Iframe view-box property to the CSS working group [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [39]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([40]CVS log) $Date: 2012/07/24 19:02:03 $ __________________________________________________________ [39] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [40] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.136 of Date: 2011/05/12 12:01:43 Check for newer version at [41]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ scribe/ [41] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/pint/paint/ Succeeded: s/this markers/these markers/ Succeeded: s/specify relative/specify a clipping path relative/ Succeeded: s/pth/path/ Succeeded: s/DS: so/DirkS: so/ Succeeded: s/questions/question/ Succeeded: s/would be 200/would be 100/ Succeeded: s/at 100/at 200/ Succeeded: s/middle/none/ Succeeded: s/surouned/surrounded/ Succeeded: s/edded/edited/ FAILED: s/RESOLUTION: textPath must not surouned by text element anymore ./RESOLUTION: textPath not needed to be surrounded by text element anymo re./ Succeeded: s/RESOLUTION: textPath must not surouned by text element anym ore./RESOLUTION: textPath not needed to be surrounded by text element an ymore./ Succeeded: s/coast/cost/ WARNING: Bad s/// command: s/word breaking/collapsing/ ? 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Agenda: [42]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_Paris_201 2/Agenda#Agenda Found Date: 24 Jul 2012 Guessing minutes URL: [43]http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html People with action items: atkins birtles brian cameron chrisl tab [42] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Seattle_Paris_2012/Agenda#Agenda [43] http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-svg-minutes.html End of [44]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [44] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm -- Erik Dahlstrom, Core Technology Developer, Opera Software Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group Personal blog: http://my.opera.com/macdev_ed
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