- From: Patrick Dengler <patd@microsoft.com>
- Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:38:41 +0000
- To: "www-svg@w3.org" <www-svg@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
29 Mar 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Mar/0059.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
[Microsoft], [IPcaller], Shepazu
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
shepazu, patrickd
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]telcon attendance
2. [6]SVG 2.0
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 29 March 2010
<shepazu> scribenick: shepazu
telcon attendance
shepazu: it's quite late and we still don't have a quorum
... is there some way we can get people to join on time and more
regularly
ed: we could start using the good/bad standing rules
... but I don't want to alienate people
shepazu: in OASIS, if you don't show up for 2 telcons in a row, you
lose voting rights, and only regain them if you show up for 2
telcons in a row again
... maybe splitting the telcons into an SVG 1.1 telcon and an SVG
2.0 telcon would help excite folks
ed: any progress on SVG 2.0?
shepazu: yes, uploading first draft right now, will be done for
Thursday
<patrickd> scribe name : patrickd
<scribe> scribenick : patrickd
<shepazu> scribenick: patrickd
SVG 2.0
ed: We will start talking about SVG 2.0 on Thursday
shepazu: One of the first substantive things I will do is the
xhlik/href in the 2.0 spec
patrickd: What about focussable/tabIndex?
shepazu: tabFocus - is actually is much more useful than tabIndex;
tabFocus can take an IRI for next/previous
... vs focussable equals true
<ed> [8]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/interact.html#navigation
[8] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/interact.html#navigation
patrickd: But how does work with XHTML/HTML?
shepazu: we could propose that HTML adopts those?
<ed> so, not tabfocus, but focusable + nav-* attributes
patrickd: But they won't depricate tabIndex
shepazu: So we do need to define how tabIndex works in SVG
ed: Everything that tabIndex can do nav-* and focussable
... But if you specify tabIndex=-1, that doesn't currently map
... Might be possible to define it terms of these attibutes and
properties that we have already
shepazu: The question beceomes 'what if you have both tabIndex and
focussable'; who the conflict
... So we should just add tabIndex; then we need to specify how
tabIndex values correspond to our other focussable attributes and
how they interact
... We should give serious consideration to what happens if the SVG
focus properties are used in HTML; need to coordinate with HTML WG
<scribe> ACTION: Ed to contact the participants of the SVG WG and
communicate that we need to concrete progress on 1.1 2nd edition and
2.0. This reqiures active participation in the list and telecon
[recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2747 - Contact the participants of the SVG
WG and communicate that we need to concrete progress on 1.1 2nd
edition and 2.0. This reqiures active participation in the list and
telecon [on Erik Dahlström - due 2010-04-05].
anthony: Consider changing time of the telecons as well
shepazu: Let's have a poll on what time works
<ed> [10]http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/
[10] http://mcc.id.au/2007/03/telcon/
ed: topc: planning face-to-face meeting
patrickd: Current dates are March 24-26th and May 31th-June 1st
<ed>
[11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings#Upcoming_F2Fs
[11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Meetings#Upcoming_F2Fs
patrickd: I have the Brussels EBC (executve briefing center) on
25th, 26th and 31st
... For the 24th (which is a holiday) and for June 1st I am renting
a boardroom at a local hotel
... Also looking into getting another office at Brussles, Microsoft
... That should read May 24-26th
<shepazu> ACTION: shepazu to create WBS poll/f2f logistics meeting
page for Brussels meeting [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2748 - Create WBS poll/f2f logistics
meeting page for Brussels meeting [on Doug Schepers - due
2010-04-05].
shepazu: Should contact the LGM folks as well
ed: Let folks know about hotel for boardroom
... topic: I18N tests
<shepazu>
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Mar/0045.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Mar/0045.html
<shepazu> [14]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/
[14] http://www.w3.org/International/tests/
<shepazu>
[15]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/svg/test-direction-unicode
-bidi-0
[15] http://www.w3.org/International/tests/svg/test-direction-unicode-bidi-0
<shepazu>
[16]http://www.w3.org/International/tests/svg/test-direction-alignme
nt-0
[16] http://www.w3.org/International/tests/svg/test-direction-alignment-0
shepazu: Richard would like us to include these in our test suites
... We should tell him we will review the tests and that we accept
the tests in theory
... We will get back to him on any proposed change/clarifications
... It would be easier to review than recreate; it is a better
approach for us
patrickd: My recommendation was for Richard to consolidate them, not
us
shepazu: There are two reasons why we don't do conformance tests.
There are legal implications. Also, we don't do conformance testing
because we do not do enough tests
... We are testing the implementability of the speciifcation
patrickd: I disagree. We are testing the implementability of
portoins of the specification
shepazu: Other groups do not have conformance tests
... We are only testing certain features of the specification. There
are 3 classes: implementation test suite (can the spec be
implement), conformance (interoperability)
... The more tests we have, the better off we are
patrickd: If we drop in 72 International tests, then this wlll make
up about 25% of our implementation
ed: Does make sense to have a lot of text tests, but having them
only for I18N doesn't seem appropriate
shepazu: How many are internationallzation and how many are just
text tests? If they could be generalized as text tests, perhaps we
could look more closely at picking these up.
patrickd: How many are currently text tests?
shepazu: The 29X are additional tests
ed: We have 48 text tests.
patrickd: If we had 120 text tests on SVG out of a total 500, we are
testing about 25% of graphics as text
<ed> 48 tests in SVG 1.1F2 based on 'ls *text*.svg | wc -l'
shepazu: We want many more SVG tests as possible. In SVG 2.0, we
would put all of these tests in SVG.
patrickd: What is the window that we have to submit those tests
shepazu: We will continue to work on 1.1 2nd editoin tests and SVG
2.0 tests in parellel.
<scribe> ACTION:shepazu Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the
method by which we will adopt them [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION:shepazu To Respond to Richard about I18N tests and
the method by which we will adopt them [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<shepazu> ACTION: shepazu to Respond to Richard about I18N tests and
the method by which we will adopt them [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2749 - Respond to Richard about I18N tests
and the method by which we will adopt them [on Doug Schepers - due
2010-04-05].
<ed>
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/010
0.html
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010JanMar/0100.html
ed: topic: PServer-grads 20b
... Should this be approved?
... No disagreement. So Anthony will mark as accepted.
patrickd: What's the status with the 31 Microsoft submitted
shepazu: We will talk about those on Monday
... We should add to the wiki page todo
<scribe> ACTION: patrickd to add additional tests suites to wiki
page [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - patrickd
<scribe> ACTION: patrick to add additional tests suites to wiki page
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2750 - Add additional tests suites to wiki
page [on Patrick Dengler - due 2010-04-05].
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Ed to contact the participants of the SVG WG and
communicate that we need to concrete progress on 1.1 2nd edition and
2.0. This reqiures active participation in the list and telecon
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: patrick to add additional tests suites to wiki page
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: patrickd to add additional tests suites to wiki page
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the
method by which we will adopt them [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to create WBS poll/f2f logistics meeting page
for Brussels meeting [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu To Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the
method by which we will adopt them [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to Respond to Richard about I18N tests and the
method by which we will adopt them [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/03/29-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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