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RE: mouse alternatives

From: Doug Schepers <doug@schepers.cc>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 03:04:15 -0400
To: "'Jonathan Chetwynd'" <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
Cc: <www-svg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <20041013070415.B332014969A@pillage.dreamhost.com>


That is unfair and untrue. I have tried and am trying to come up with real
solutions for various accessibility issues. 

When I said, offlist, that I did not have time to hang out in
irc.freenode.net#accessibility, I meant that and explicitly that. That
doesn't mean that I don't have time to explore accessibility. In fact, I'm
exploring accessibility right now, by making a written-text to sign-language
animation tool in SVG. Please stop misrepresenting my intentions, opinions,
and private statements in a public forum.

If you have technical reasons for disagreeing with me, or you think I've
misunderstood something, feel free to correct  me. But I don't think that
that this is the place for personal attacks.

On a technical note, if you'll reread what I said, I think you'll find that
we agree on the need for accessibility in SVG, and on the need for keyboard
navigation. I just don't see how the issues you raised here and on
irc.freenode.net#svg (which deal with OS-level controls) are in the domain
of SVG, and I tried to address them in terms of DOM-events.

Doug Schepers

Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: 
| Doug,
| Please could you consider not replying to emails that contain 
| the keyword 'accessibility'
| You've suggested offline that you 'haven't the time' to 
| explore accessibility issues.
| Anyone wishing to make helpful comments on accessibility 
| needs at least a desire to understand the issues.
| regards
| Jonathan Chetwynd
| http://www.peepo.co.uk     "It's easy to use"
| irc://freenode/accessibility
| On 12 Oct 2004, at 22:30, Doug Schepers wrote:
| Hi, Jonathan-
| I don't believe that it's appropriate for "mouse keys" to be 
| explicitly defined in SVG.
| However, I *do* think that it's appropriate to include a 
| mechanism for directional navigation, and to define a method 
| to map keys to activities.
| Given these two abilities, I think that you would have the 
| building blocks for such accessibility, and authors could 
| then take matters into their own hands. Best practices and 
| standardized accessibility specifications can allow the 
| authors to produce variously accessible content.
| Regards-
| Doug Schepers
| doug . schepers  @ vectoreal.com
| www.vectoreal.com
| "Move into the future..."
| Jonathan Chetwynd wrote:
| |
| |
| | There has been a brief discussion on IRC#SVG, which has led 
| to not a 
| | little confusion on my part at least.
| |
| | What plans are there to enable 'mouse keys' in SVG?
| | By 'mouse keys' I understand the accessibility alternatives 
| to mouse 
| | navigation, that use the keyboard.
| | (not just tabbing but) Moving the mouse around the screen, dragging 
| | objects, shift+apple+click+drag(mac)and other mouse interactivity.
| |
| | Is the WG actively engaged in ensuring that this accessibility is 
| | being integrated?
| |
| | Some people have expressed the view that this is an OS 
| issue, nothing 
| | to do with SVG, and that in the meantime it is up to individuals to 
| | create scripts to cover these eventualities.
| |
| | regards
| |
| | Jonathan Chetwynd
| | http://www.peepo.co.uk     "It's easy to use"
| | irc://freenode/accessibility
| |
| |
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