- From: Kurt Cagle <kurt@kurtcagle.net>
- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:24:01 -0800
- To: www-svg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <41A23CD1.3010409@kurtcagle.net>
SVG 1.2 Comments
Chapter 3
1. Usage comment on sXBL. The rationale for bindings for SVG differ
from that for XUL. In the latter case, elements that are included
are almost invariable new components, and as such as most likely
to be provided with data bindings via an attribute or element. In
the case of SVG, however, the content for such entities are far
more likely to be specifically defined external schemas (for
instance, the creation of a pie chart from an XML schema holding
the associated data), and for this particular use case the
requirements of specifically enveloping such entities within an
element can be pretty daunting.
As a consequence, I suspect that making it clear that the intent
of sXBL bindings within SVG should be seen as being component
oriented rather than purely transformation should be at least
hinted at within the specification. Although this moves more into
a best practices type of scenario, my suspicion is that without
this stated "hint" in the spec, a lot of people will be working
with very unoptimized SVG at best, and sXBL could become a
rallying point for opposition. For this reason, I would recommend
that the examples being given focus more on the compnent rather
than data oriented nature of sXBL; as it is right now, the and
examples do not effectively illustrate this.
2. Section 3.11, concerning binding of style elements into shadow
trees bothers me, because of the statement that this restriction
may be loosened in subsequent releases. There's also the question
of whether a user agent should throw an error if script within the
shadow tree alters the stylesheets via DOM. Finally, given that if
you define a shadow tree using class attributes, such class
attributes are likely to be characteristics that you need to
assign within a contained binding, not the calling document,
though with the ability of the calling document to override
associated class attributes. As class attributes can serve to
bundle related stylistic elements in a consistent manner, I see
this as being something of a concern for component development.
Chapter 4
1. Recommendation: <flowDiv> and <flowPara> are semantically too
close, especially given the HTML semantics of <DIV> and <P>
respectively. I would recommend that <flowDiv> be renamed to
<flowBody>.
2. Last week I became involved in some fairly contentious arguments
with the CSS proponents, and in the process of trying to work out
the distinctions between the CSS and SVG models, something
occurred to me that I'd like to pass on. One of the central issues
involved in the current argument between the two flow models comes
down to the question of whether columns should be specified via a
CSS mechanism in which you specify a given bounding rectangle and
then subdivide that region into multiple columns, or whether you
take the SVG proposed approach of mapping one column per bounding
shape, then map the shapes to the page.
It occurs to me that there may be some advantage to combining the
two approaches. In essence, within a <flowDiv> element, you
include the ability to specify the number of columns that can be
contained within that DIV, along with some kind of spacing
property that would let you specify the relative sizes of each
column. This provides a number of key benefits:
1. Multicolumn flow characteristics will let you do BIDI
columns within the flowDiv, so that text will automatically
flow according to the relevant directional and language
specifications.
2. You retain the ability to specify overflow targets as either
shapes (in SVG) or divisional elements (HTML) without
needing two different models.
3. The default case is the same in both cases.
4. This can be easily extended to the case of floating entities
in which columnar text needs to flow around the floats.
5. Shaped binding characteristics for horizontally irregular
shapes would only affect the edge columns - internal columns
would retain their rectangular characteristics.
More comments to follow.
-- Kurt Cagle
-- Metaphorical Web
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