- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 13:09:45 +0100
- To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Cc: (wrong string) åkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>
On Wednesday, November 10, 2004, 12:45:14 PM, Ian wrote: >> We have fill, stroke, filter, etc., why suddenly we cannot have overlay? IH> 'filter' in particular is a problem. It clashes with a property that IH> was in an older draft of CSS2, and which was implemented by IE. This is sheer historical revisionism. I was there, and you were not. Microsoft first implemented the property, as a vendor extension, then suggested adding their filter effects to CSS. There was some interest, but they were unable in spite of repeated requests to come up with any defined processing model or definition of what they did beyond the actual names. This took a while, i believe its called 'talking out' ... ensures a proprietary alternative as a good market lead by bogging down standardization efforts. At which point, I got an action item to ask the SVG WG about that and see if there were filter effects with defined graphical behavior that could actually be implemented by two independent groups and get the same result. SVG WG developed some. I then reported back on this, showed a demo, described the specification, etc. Some of the group were in favor. One company - one with a proprietary specification to protect - objected to referencing SVG from the CSS spec and so, after the usual discussion, delay, etc they were dropped because the CSS WG could not agree to reference another specification. Instead, they developed the text shadow, over my objections, overlapping with SVG work that they had already had demonstrated to them. IH> It basically means that IE will never be able to implement SVG in IH> HTML. (A lot of legacy content uses the 'filter' property.) Which is entirely the CSS WG fault for not providing a standard alternative in a timely manner. -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org Chair, W3C SVG Working Group Member, W3C Technical Architecture Group
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