RE: SVG 1.1 Spec Rec - 7.6 The Transform Attribute

Hi Chris,
Thanks for the link. 
I have convinced myself that transforms are applied in the 'provided order'
(left to right?). I have also just convinced myself that Batik and ASV6 are
applying transforms left to right (also in the provided order ?). 

In the case of say :-

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<svg width="100%" height="100%" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">
    <rect width="30" height="30" fill="orange" transform="translate(200,0)
rotate(45)"/>
</svg>

The translate is performed first (origin moves to 200,0) then the rotation
of the rectangle at the new origin, thus order is left to right according to
the spec and processed by Batik and ASV as per spec. 
In the graphics primer you say 'the transform which is applied first appears
closest to the vector'. Is the transform that is closest to the vector(s)
the first (ie. leftmost) or the last (ie.rightmost) in the transform list ?
At the moment I just don't get the right to left bit.
Kind Regards,
Patrick



-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lilley [mailto:chris@w3.org]
Sent: 23 December 2004 10:43
To: pegan@gresham-forms.co.uk
Cc: www-svg@w3.org
Subject: Re: SVG 1.1 Spec Rec - 7.6 The Transform Attribute



On Thursday, December 16, 2004, 6:16:48 PM, pegan wrote:

pgfcu> Hi SVG  WG,
pgfcu>  
pgfcu> According to 1.1  spec :-
pgfcu> "The value of the transform attribute is a
pgfcu> <transform-list>,  which is defined as a list of transform
pgfcu> definitions, which are applied in the  order provided".
pgfcu>  
pgfcu> The transform definitions seem to be applied in the
pgfcu> reverse order to the provided order (ie. right to left) in ASV6 
pgfcu> and Batik. 

Yes, they are. To understand why that is correct, you need to look into
matrix math a little, in particular to understand the terms premultiply
and postmultiply. I suggest having a look at a computer graphics primer
on geometry, (just the first chapter), which I wrote a while ago:

http://www.ii.uib.no/undervisning/kurs/v01/i291/i291/geom_sn.pdf

-- 
 Chris Lilley                    mailto:chris@w3.org
 Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
 Member, W3C Technical Architecture Group


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