Re: Use of Content Management Systems, ranking and usage in Semantic Web

Dear Paola,

It seems that the IIA 2008 (http://iasc2.diee.unica.it/iia2008/) conference does address part of the issue you identified. See the "information filtering systems" section. My suggestion to create tag-templates to facilitate information filtering systems seems to be a useful idea.

The idea of a personalized semantic web does not sound so far fetched after all. It may not be what the creators of the semantic web had envisioned at the beginning, but from the users' end it would make a lot of sense.

This conference seems to address quite a few of the issues related to your question.

The interesting question now becomes, will the semantic web purists sticking to the original version of the vision for the semantic web win out or supporters of the personalized semantic web
 which will obviously garner quite a lot of support from current search engine companies and seems to be a natural fit for and logical extension of social networking features and personalized user web settings.

Both Google and Microsoft seem to have their bets put on social networking, so the issue seems to become of interest to mainstream software companies creating web services.

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--- On Thu, 11/13/08, paola.dimaio@gmail.com <paola.dimaio@gmail.com> wrote:
From: paola.dimaio@gmail.com <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Use of Content Management Systems, ranking and usage in Semantic Web
To:
 metadataportals@yahoo.com
Cc: semantic-web@w3.org
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 12:54 PM

Milton

it's an important question, but the answer is non linear

I am convinced that when CMS (and blogs) will output their stuff as
RDF, then the semantic web will be a done thing.

but, assuming such a functionality exists,  we (me anyway) still have
not quite understood  how to model RDF into meaningful content
structures

 shall we use metadata structures to infer RDF triples? or do we use
reasoning parsers  (thats a new technology I just made up) to digest
content and output triples that make sense?

>
> In order to transition from plain vanilla web sites with run-of-the-mill
> content management systems (CMSs) to semantic web enabled sites with
> corresponding CMSs, a lot of functionality has to be added.

yes, but....
in a content management context we need
 to
 define better what we mean
by semantic. In CMS  logic (my take) semantic = relational

if so, then all CMS have semantic capabilities, in principles, because
they all use relational dbases, therefore the relationships between
objects just need to be defined, and  the functionality that needs to
be developed is just some kind of user friendly interface to ' let a
relate to b' and output content to XYZ schema

I was just looking for Dan Brick's profile on Facebook, and thinking,
how on earth is Facebook doing the friends networks without using
FOAF? its loose relational technology a bit augmented perhaps to
capture expanded value sets, I think

if however, by semantic you mean CMS that can produce content
published as 'rdf'  format,  then to derive RDF schemas from HTML
content  looks relatively trivial, is just a schema mapping exercise

The question for a cms user would be to devise
 logically
 and
meaningfully consistent RDF schemas - that's where I got stuck last
time I looked at this issue, a couple of years ago or so.


> We are trying to find out if any reports exist on the ranking and usage in
> Semantic Web context of CMSs and also if comparison tables exist, e.g.
> listing SW standards, metadata sets and other items compared for the CMSs
> and also, who are the users of such CMSs?

so many questions in one sentence...
AFAIK , all CMS can be set up to output content using ANY schema, as
long as the schema is defined, therefore, in principle, all CMS s have
semantic capabilities, provided they have been configured to do so

When I requested an RDF feature for Drupal I was thinking of a module
that could translate content into RDF, not sure how Drupal is setting
up for RDF,   havent looked into it yet. Other nice functinalities
could be 'visualise' and
 manipulate
 queries
>
> Many non-profits are migrating to web sites with CMSs, of which Plone,
> Joomla and Drupal seem to be quite popular.
>


> But we feel that the popular ranking and usage of available CMSs does not
> necessarily reflect the ranking as per SW functionality.
> Another issue of particular importance for users of such sites is browser
> add-ons and plugins for semantic web technologies.

once the functionality is defined, its relatively easy to implement
it, what we are having difficulties in understanding is what exactly
you would consider a requirement in this arena


> Are there any reports,list, directories and comparison charts for
currently
> available browsers, listing available plugins and add-ons?


Please let us know what you find out,

best
PDM
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