- From: Peter F. Patel-Schneider <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:12:09 -0400
- To: jim@spatial.maine.edu
- Cc: www-rdf-logic@w3.org
From: Jim Farrugia <jim@spatial.maine.edu> Subject: Re: DAML+OIL semantics Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:49:52 -0400 (EDT) > Peter, > > Some brief comments below. > > Thanks for your detailed replies. > > Jim > > > [...] > > > > JF: OK, let's see.... > > > > > > > > > 1) what is the right way to get at the question whether the DAML+OIL > > > axiomatic semantics "gives us the same thing" as the DAML+OIL > > > model-theoretic semantics? Does it make sense to try to ask such > > > a question, or is it a case of apples and oranges? > > > > This is a valid question. To be more precise, the kind of question that > > you can ask is, given the axiomatization, A, and two DAML+OIL KBs, K and Q, > > whether > > K entails Q in the model theory > > iff > > K + A entails Q in the model theory of the logic underlying the > > axiomatization > > > > One can also ask an equivalent question, namely whether > > K entails Q in the model theory > > iff > > Q can be derived from K + A in a sound and complete proof theory > > for the logic underlying the axiomatization > > > > Unfortunately, the answer to this question is no. > > > The fact that the answer is no seems like not a good thing, though it > seems it may be a fact of life. ?? Definitely *not* a good thing. > To what can this fact be attributed - properties of the DAML+OIL > axiomatization? Properties of the logic underlying the axiomatization > (which is what, by the way?)? > > Something else? There are two reasons: 1/ The two semantics have differing treatments of the relationship between DAML+OIL and RDFS. The axiomatization tries for a much closer relationship. 2/ There are a number of consequences of the axiomatization that are not obvious from the language. > How do DAML+OIL people respond to or deal with this fact, which seems > to say that one can't be sure that the axiomatic semantics for DAML+OIL > "give the same thing" as the model-theoretic semantics? Well, most of us are ignoring the problems, and hoping that OWL will be different in some way. > The reason I ask is that an implementer without much logical background > might suppose that since two well-defined semantics are provided for > DAML+OIL, they do in fact "give the same thing" as far as meanings and > inferences are concerned. Agreed, and the fact that there are two different co-normative semantics with different properties is a serious problem. > Thanks, > > Jim peter
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