- From: Jonathan Borden <jborden@mediaone.net>
- Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:08:07 -0400
- To: "Piotr Kaminski" <pkaminsk@home.com>, "pat hayes" <phayes@ai.uwf.edu>
- Cc: <www-rdf-logic@w3.org>
Pat, For what it is worth, I think this is a major inconsistency between XML and RDF. As the purveyor of both specifications, the W3C really ought ensure that these two areas be consistent, but there have been areas where they are rather inconsistent on some of these somewhat important issues. Case in point, it is not -currently- possible to -name- a general XML Schema type with a URI, and furthermore XML Schema does not see URIs as the naming mechanism for types, rather QNames. So you see that even in rather recent W3C specifications, URIs are not used as names. I suggest that this lends evidence to my position that the XML and RDF communities have different ideas about the usages of QNames and URIs. 1) The XML community in general finds it unacceptable to end XML Namespaces in '#' -- perhaps one might discover a -single- well known XML Namespace -outside- of RDF applications that fit this pattern. 2) simply concatenation of QName namespace URI + localname is frought with many many problems, and IMHO does serious damage to RDF's ability to interact with XML Namespace aware applications. For example if XML Query applications are XML Schema aware and allow comparison of xsd:decimal values, values types with QNames whose namespace ends in '#' will not be correctly recognized as XML Schema datatypes. At Extreme Markup 2001, Jonathan Robie gave a -terrific- demonstration of using XML Query to query RDF, to the point where this may now become my preferred RDF query language! > > This seems to me to be the basic issue: who has the authority to say > they are distinct? > Exactly. The point is that large numbers of XML people have problems with this. Particularly XML Schema does not equate two QNames that happen to yield the same RDF URI mapping (concat) as being equivalent. What happens is that if RDF uses these rules it majorly looses inferencing power because it looses the ability to understand XML Schema type hierarchies etc. etc. > Suppose someone were to reply: you can SAY that, but if you do say > it, you are uttering a contradiction, since I can prove you wrong (by > mapping the Qnames to URIs using the published RDF rules). After all, > you can *say* (P and (not P)) as well, but I'm not obliged to believe > you if you do. > > >foo:barcat > >bar:cat > > > >Yet, using the standard concatenation mapping, both QNames are mapped to the > >same URI: > > > >http://example.com/foobarcat > > > >While this URI identifies some resource (by definition), it cannot identify > >both of the (distinct!) resources identified by the two QNames > >simultaneously. Hence the mapping is deficient. > > If they really were distinct, that is. Or, you could take the > position that the use of the mapping shows that they couldn't have > been distinct. Well, XML 1.0 says they are distinct types. So you loose this basic information. Your choice. I, for one, will be working with XML information, and am looking for a system that will be able to perform inferencing, queries etc. on such information. -Jonathan
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