- From: Lynn, James (HP Software) <james.lynn@hp.com>
- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:17:52 -0400
- To: "Oskar Welzl" <lists@welzl.info>, <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
- Cc: Reto Bachmann-Gmür <rbg@talis.com>
Oskar, I am no authority on this, but I'll test my own understanding with the following explanation: When we speak of a URI refering to something, we must consider in what context we are speaking. In the HTTP context, i.e. what does a server return, it refers to a context. In the RDF context, i.e. what is the meaning of the URI in an RDF statement, a URI is a string of characters which uniquely identifies some "thing", some concept, such as a person, a book, the color "green", or in some cases a website or resource on the web. This is my own non-normative explanation, no doubt someone will correct some of the details. Regards, James Lynn HP Software W3C Service Modeling Language WG 610 277 1896 -----Original Message----- From: www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org [mailto:www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Oskar Welzl Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:19 PM To: www-rdf-interest@w3.org Cc: Reto Bachmann-Gmür Subject: Re: What if an URI also is a URL Thank you for helping me on... the only point I don't get is: > Oskar Welzl wrote: > > c) Consequently, if I want to make a reference to my weblog (meaning > > the thing as such, a collection of all posts, pictures, the services > > offered etc.), I'd better not use http://oskar.twoday.net as this > > would only refer to one single HTML-document. In particular, the > > document served at http://oskar.twoday.net might have been > > dc:created yesterday, while the weblog as such started 2003. > > I'd have to make up something like > > http://oskar.twoday.net/id/thisblog > > and maybe state somewhere that http://oskar.twoday.net/id/thisblog > > has an indexDocument http://oskar.twoday.net > > > I think there might be a confusion between the resource > <http://oskar.twoday.net/> and the representation returned by the > webserver. A Blog is an Information Resource which could be described > as an ordered collection of posts, the HTML returned by the webserver > is (or should be) a suitable representation of that thing. Depending > on the current time as well as the properties of the request the > server may deliver different representations of an invariable resource. So while I thought <http://oskar.twoday.net/> shouldnt be used to refer to the Blog as "the collection of posts", you seem to say now that the HTML-document returned by the server might well be taken as a suitable representation of it. Therefore (if I understand you correctly), <http://oskar.twoday.net/> *can* be used in RDF to refer to the thing known as "Oskars Blog" in the real world. Now isnt this a direct contradiction to the starting point, when TBL wrote: > The moment a server returns 200 OK for a request to the URI, it is > saying it identifies a document. Identifiying a document is not the same as identifying a blog, even if the document is part of the blog. I can make statements about this one document that are not true for the blog and vice versa. Whats the point I'm missing? Or am I being fussy here again? ;) Thx Oskar
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