- From: David Provost <dprovost@sloan.mit.edu>
- Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 09:47:56 -0500
- To: <www-rdf-interest@w3.org>
All - Please bear with me - this is my first W3C post and I'm a public subscriber to this thread. I'm not familiar with Atom, although the brief pro/con analysis sparking my reply hits home with me. Overall, I feel that communicating the practical benefits of Semantic Web technology(s) in a way that's comprehensible to mainstream corporate decision makers is critical. This issue is also one of the central foci in all my SemWeb related work to date. Some examples of my work can be found here: www.davidprovost.com. SemWeb technology, its vendors and practitioners are still primarily populated by highly trained, highly accomplished, highly technical individuals. In my opinion, this is to be expected since it's pretty complicated stuff (at least to me), the field is new and evolving rapidly, and to a great extent, the underlying theory and research are still in the process leaving computer labs to find practical mainstream applications (no slight intended to existing vendors, many of whom I've spoken with.) As a result, many of these people have extensive experience solving difficult technical problems, but may have less experience interacting with business practitioners, decision makers, and other non-technical people. My interest is in the commercialization of the SemWeb. When I discuss the field with colleagues or peers (who have only a passing interest), their eyes often glaze over and their expressions go blank. However, there are business people that do understand the potential and in those cases, our conversations are usually quite engaging. In an effort to solve the communication/adoption/commercialization problem I've been working on developing the following: a framework for prioritizing industry entry points and defining solutions, the place of SemWeb within corporate IT investment portfolios, the process of shareholder value creation (for new business ventures), market strategies, quantifying the economic benefit of SemWeb versus alternative/substitute technologies, and finally, a generic, plain English sales presentation. I would welcome any thoughts or suggestions related to how advance my thinking and ideally, locate receptive business partners (I recognize this probably isn't the forum for that.) Finally, please read this disclosure: I'm a "for-profit" person and like many people in this field, I'm trying to figure out how to make a living from what I've learned about the SemWeb. I've tried to strike a balance between communicating my views without being self-promotional - if I've failed on this count, forgive me. Thanks for reading this far - I hope you've found it productive and I'd be interested in any comments or questions. David Provost -----Original Message----- From: www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org [mailto:www-rdf-interest-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Danny Ayers Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 8:02 AM To: www-rdf-interest@w3.org Cc: antone@geckotribe.com Subject: Fwd: To RDF or not to RDF, that is the (perennial) question The post below is from the atom-syntax list (http://www.imc.org/atom-syntax/). I think the first couple of paragraphs are relevant for anyone interested in SW advocacy/deployment. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Antone Roundy <antone@geckotribe.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:18:10 -0700 Subject: To RDF or not to RDF, that is the (perennial) question To: atom-syntax@imc.org On Thursday, January 6, 2005, at 07:50 AM, Danny Ayers wrote: > The potential benefits of RSS 1.0-like extensibility have often been > stated on-list. One regular counter-argument has been along the lines > of "I don't see what that buys us" (usually from Dare ;-), which has > usually prompted yet another rewording of what it does buy us. Part of the problem is that the benefits of RDF are often explained in language that, while I assume it's clear to people conversant with RDF, is only vaguely comprehensible, and that with effort, to those of us who aren't. From time to time I catch a glimpse of the value of RDF, but I doubt that I've ever really seen the big picture. I see two pages on the wiki addressing the RDF or not question (http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/NoToRdf and http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/XmlAndRdf), but neither strikes me as being a good "the big picture of RDF benefits for non-RDF speakers" page. Another part of the problem is that some people simply don't care about the benefits that RDF offers. While I'm sure the benefits are more than worth cost of RDF syntax to those who do care about those benefits, they are not for those who don't. Is there a way to reconcile the needs of the two groups? I see four possible futures: 1) Atom does not use RDF and is not defined and constrained in a way that makes it easy to convert to RDF (including elements from other namespaces). This would make Atom significantly less useful to those who care about RDF's benefits. 2) Atom does not use RDF, but it is defined and constrained in ways that make it easy to convert to RDF (including extensions). This should be at least minimally acceptable to pretty much everyone. 3) Atom uses RDF, adding a lot of syntactic overhead and/or variability to its structure. This would make Atom significantly less appealing to those who aren't conversant with RDF and/or using RDF-aware tools. 4) Atom uses RDF, but the way documents are structured is constrained to a subset of how RDF can be structured so that it doesn't require RDF-aware tools to process, and the amount of overhead added by the RDF syntax is minimal. This should be at least minimally acceptable to pretty much everyone. Which of #1 and #2 are we closest to right now? Is #2 or #4 achievable? If so, which is preferable? I'd like to aim for #2, but if the overhead and obfuscation in the eyes of non-RDF speakers of #4 is truly minimal (I suspect that RDF speakers and non-RDF speakers would have very different definitions of "truly minimal"), I'd have no complaints about going that route. Also, in either case, if working toward a particular solution significantly increases our time to completion, that's a major strike against it. -- http://dannyayers.com
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